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  •  the ONLY major issue Obama is better on is SCOTUS (0+ / 0-)

    nominees.

    Is that the one issue you were referring to?

    •  You capitalized ONLY like you meant it (1+ / 0-)
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      are you really standing by that as a factual statement or just blowing off some steam and/or making a rhetorical point?

      Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

      by Wisper on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 06:39:08 AM PDT

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      •  This is the internet - capitalization conventions (0+ / 0-)

        can be ignored - that's not what the NSA is concerned about.

        But as far as content goes, that statement was of course factual.

        Banal really, insofar as I didn't really think there was much controversy about that.

        •  huh (3+ / 0-)
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          and by "better" I assume you mean "than Bush" since that was the Administration directly preceding him.  Would seem unfair to compare him to FDR or Lincoln or something.

          ..or perhaps a theoretical McCain or Romney presidency though that seems speculative.

          Bush would have gotten us out of Iraq too?
          Bush would have formally ended DADT?
          Bush would have passed Healthcare reform?
          Bush would have handled things like Hurricane Sandy effectively?
          Bush would have responded to the Boston Marathon Bombing the same way or better?
          Bush would have called off the legal defense of DOMA?

          ..then there are a bunch of less noticeable things like the investments into clean energy, support of the auto industry, shattering the Minerals Management Service, Credit Card reforms, Lily Ledbetter Act, slashed the Star Wars program, restarted nuclear proliferation and control talks that Bush withdrew the US from, expanded Pell Grants, expanded CHIP and sCHIP, reigned in Mountaintop Removal, increased National Endowment for the Arts funding, slashed $8 billion in Telecom subsidies, restrengthened the Endangered Species Act to Clinton levels, doubled CAFE standards,

          I don't know... I realize there are 1,001 things to complain about and criiticize from NSA to Drones to GITMO to Fracking to Guns to Drug Policy, but still....

          ....thats why I asked if you really we're trying to say that SCOTUS appointments were the ONLY thing you thought was better.

          Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

          by Wisper on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 07:30:22 AM PDT

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          •  Wow, just wow! (0+ / 0-)

            But there a few things to agree on, primarily this:

            reigned in Mountaintop Removal
            Yes, that is one area where he did reign, in fact one of his very first acts was to clear 42 of 48 pending MTR coal mining permits that had been languishing under Bush  

            Overall his energy policies have been absolutely horrendous.

            The same can be said of his foreign policy, domestic surveillence, education, financial policy and budgets - essentially everything (again, except for his SC nominees).

            Bush would have gotten us out of Iraq too?

            Obama basically followed the existing plan to "end" that war.

            Bush would have formally ended DADT?

            Not really relevant, the courts would have taken care of that.

            Bush would have passed Healthcare reform?

            It was a republican plan that Obama passed, IOW, a bit difficult to get too excited about.

            Bush would have handled things like Hurricane Sandy effectively?

            "things like?" - don't really know what that means.  But to me the bigger issue is that Obama has done nothing but exacerbate the underlying cause of such events by going whole hog into fossil fuel extraction.

            Bush would have responded to the Boston Marathon Bombing the same way or better?

            OK, that's a huge reach, what did Obama have to do with that?

            Bush would have called off the legal defense of DOMA?

            Perhaps, the power behind the throne (Dick Cheney, that is) wasn't really all that big into that type of thing.

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