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  •  Let's truly make it comprehensive (1+ / 0-)
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    Rich in PA

    We need to think about US Citizens first and foremost. 11 million illegal immigrants, YES, I said ILLEGAL, plus 30 MILLION new immigrants allowed in the US in the next decade spells disaster for US CITIZENS looking for work.

    And PLEASE, don't keep repeating the tired phrase "They do the jobs that American Citizens won't" Because, BELIEVE ME, if they are legalized, they will quit those jobs looking for better wages, to the detriment of CITIZENS already struggling to find work.

    I remember 1886. Supposed to be comprehensive, too. But, all we got was amnesty for three million illegals, with weak to no enforcement. NEVER AGAIN!

    Sure, we need to deal with the ones here, and the Dreamers are the ones that I have feelings for most. They didn't come here by choice.

    But the Gang of Eight bill is HORRIBLE. E-Verify is basically gutted by exempting employers with less than 500 employees. Hell, that's just about EVERY single employer that's KNOWN to hire illegals!

    Let's give the 11 million a path to citizenship. I'm ok with that. But we seriously MUST have true measures to stop further illegal immigration, and drastically cut back the amount of new immigrants and H1-B visas until the economy has enough jobs to justify it.

    Is that too much to ask? Please?

    •  Yeah, I made a typo.. 1986 not 1886... :) (0+ / 0-)
    •  Let us get this straight. (0+ / 0-)

      The 1986 bill failed largely because it required applicants for amnesty to prove they had been in the U.S. for 5 years before the bill was enacted. This misguided provision left a large group in the shadows, leading to the current illegal population. This law gives almost everyone the chance to apply for legal status, so this problem is avoided. Furthermore, the 1986 law also led to illegal immigration by failing to include enough legal immigration channels. The Gang of 8 bill is better than that, precisely because of a larger H1B cap, the W visa, and much larger immigrant visas (for PhDs, STEM graduates, the "merit visa" etc). The economy has recovered to the point where the H1B cap was reached within days this year, and to a lottery. Guess what happens to those who don't get the visa? Their jobs are shipped overseas to Canada or Europe, or they simply stay and work illegally.

      •  This is supposed to win me over? (0+ / 0-)

        "Do what tech companies want, or so help me, they'll kill ALL the jobs!"

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 06:22:39 AM PDT

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    •  I agree with you, by and large n/t (0+ / 0-)

      You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

      by Rich in PA on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 05:26:55 AM PDT

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    •  Your ire is misdirected (0+ / 0-)

      It is not immigrants who are taking jobs from American workers, but the 1% who ship jobs overseas and routinely trash the economy, pretending that it is "the business cycle" and not their fault, as one of several ongoing policies for keeping wages down and misappropriating all of the increased profits from productivity gains.

      Also, if the immigrants got better jobs, they would spend more money, thus creating further jobs. Similarly if wage workers got paid for their increased productivity. The economy is neither a zero-sum game nor a single-factor system. You have to be able to think about the consequences of the immediate consequences.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 08:14:44 AM PDT

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