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  •  Thats worse then (2+ / 0-)
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    Whatever... you think you have an argument to make to compare this current shit to the USSR?  You're going to sit there and list this shit out and then act like PRISM... FUCKING PRISM is the same as digging children's bones out of the basement of Vilnius?  ...and I need to think about what I write?!?

    Okay...blather on then.  Act like what could have/should have/might have happened after tanks rolled across Erzsébet bridge or after Kristallnacht or after Khoren was killed is the same as challenging the US Government in the wake of an NSA tapping scandal.

    That's sick man.  How do you actually do that?  yeah.... imagining that a FISA court may have inadequately overseen a telecom program is the same as genocide and work camps and death squads and forced labor and the KGB and living in fear and ... fuck it.

    It makes me angry just to type.  If its all the same in your mind then have fun... cry havoc then and hyperventilate over phone record datamining programs that are JUST LIKE... I mean EXACTLY the same as Gulags... or whatthefuckever...

     

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 12:34:14 PM PDT

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    •  you have several problems (0+ / 0-)

      and hopefully, your meds can control most of them.

      my point, to those who don't skip every third and fourth word when they read (although I can understand that lips do tire out after a while) remains, we face a crisis here. Either we stop this surveillance, or we risk something far worse in the future.
      Every example you mention actually supports my position. If you would allow yourself to see it. If you don't stop tyranny early, it grows.

      In China, one man effectively stopped a potential disaster by standing in front of a tank. Who could imagine what might have been if he did not act as he did?

      In Lietuva, a group of resistors stopped the soviets, and shamed them from further bloodshed and violence. They lost their lives. But they succeeded.

      There are countless acts that prevent truly bad things from happening, and mostly, they are ignored by history, because the really juicy bloody stuff makes for better reading. Or increased sales, at least. I experienced the soviet surveillance system, despite your inability to read that in my post. It was intrusive, it was scary, it was evil. As any widespread governmental system is. As our system is.  Unless we stand in front of the tank, unless we stop the soviet tanks on the hill, unless we nip this surveillance idiocy now, it will get worse.

      What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

      by agnostic on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 12:47:05 PM PDT

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    •  The Nazis thought it was outrageous to compare (1+ / 0-)
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      what they were doing to the murderous policies of the Bolsheviks.  And for a long time the Bolsheviks'  policies were a lot worse.  Through the 1930's, up to the outbreak of war in 1939, the number of people the Nazis had killed was probably still in the four figures, certainly no higher than in the five figures, at a time when the Bolsheviks had already killed millions.  Most Germans felt prosperous.  They thought their national honor had been restored.  They even thought they were free.

      But the Nazis were just taking their time revealing their true colors.  Once war broke out, it quickly became clear what the ultimate implications of their early policies were.

      The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

      by lysias on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 02:53:32 PM PDT

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