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  •  Disagree - just because they are Texans doesn't (4+ / 0-)

    mean that we shouldn't help them.    This is what being a progressive is about, I thought.   Not just helping people who think like you.    Remember that we are not red states and blue states, but the United States?   Besides, do not conflate the people with the politics, sad fact is that most people are relatively apolitical which gives us what we have got...

    I don't know whether or not FEMA is the appropriate agency, but I have no problems with US funds being used to help them.    We are getting federal help to fix a bridge on I-5 (main route here) that was hit by a truck.   If the refinery in Anacortes or near Bellingham were to blow up, a lot of people would need help.   I wouldn't want to live in a country that said "silly you for living within a couple of miles of a refinery..."

    •  The people are being helped individually. (23+ / 0-)

      But the government entities (responsible for infrastructure) are the ones who are responsible for regulating this business, and zoning residential and industrial lots so close together.

      That would be the municipality, such as it is, the county, and the state.

      I say it's time for them to turn to the state legislature. Governor Goodhair can call a special session, if he is serious about helping the folks of West, Texas.

      Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at Texas Kaos.

      by boadicea on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 12:25:35 PM PDT

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      •  And now with the sequester, (9+ / 0-)

        some austerity-loving, secessionist legislator will demand that more brown kids go hungry or more elderly go without medical care to balance out any federal spending for aid to the various governing bodies that caused the problem in the first place.

        Sometimes a state reaps what it sows.

        •  I would support the state reaping what it sowed (1+ / 0-)
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          If the state can't fix things, then let's see.  

          I fail to see why taxpayers who do look after their home turf should immediately pay up for slackers who don't take care.  The immediate needs are covered - so let Texas play its part in dealing with this.

      •  If FEMA helps individuals rebuild their homes (1+ / 0-)
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        But their roads and schools aren't rebuilt, I'm not so sure how helpful or useful those initial funds were.

        Being perfectly ok with bussing West's little kids off to Waco (or whatever town) just doesn't feel very progressive to me.

        Oh, right, the roads are damaged. Who knows if the buses can run.

        Sure, let's homeschool West's children. Parents who work all day and who never wanted to or planned to homeschool their kids can take turns.

        That will turn out just fine and certainly work out well for those of us who want well educated culturally literate citizens.

        We'll turn Texas purple yet.  woo.

        /sarcasm intended

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 02:24:56 PM PDT

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        •  That is not what I said (1+ / 0-)
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          But the remedy for this very independent state is not necessarily a federal one in this case.

          Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at Texas Kaos.

          by boadicea on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 07:18:39 PM PDT

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          •  Especially a state with the surplus TX has. (2+ / 0-)
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            Perry, Gohmert, Cruz, Cornyn and all of the other jackasses who detest the federal government, believe there should be no regulations, blather about session from the United States and crow about how self-sufficient they are....TEXAS has the means to takes care of this situation and they should do it themselves.

            The residents of West deserve the restoration of their community - to the fullest extent possible.  Lives cannot be replaced.  Personal trauma cannot be erased.

            TEXAS? YOU fix what needs to be fixed.  Because it's YOUR negligence, ignorance and refusal to consider the well being of your own communities and people that set the stage for this catastrophe to happen.  YOU have the resources and responsibility to rebuild the community of West, TX.  Put your money where your big nasty mouth is.  

            "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

            by 417els on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 11:10:33 PM PDT

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    •  pretty sure... (8+ / 0-)

      I-5 is an interstate highway and thus the feds are always going to be involved in some way. I agree these people need help and the government should be assisting them, the question is....is this a federal issue or a state issue?

      I think the commenters here are making a strong case that this is a state issue and the state should be ponying up the funds for the repairs and not the federal government.

      Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.

      by fauxrs on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 12:32:11 PM PDT

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    •  Hiways are Federal resposibilities. FEMA is not (8+ / 0-)

      to bail out private business screw-ups

    •  I-5 is an Interstate ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ColoTim

      Fed are always responsible

      A mind like a book, has to be open to function properly.

      by falconer520 on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 12:53:13 PM PDT

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      •  The Federal Interstate System is not FEMA-eligible (3+ / 0-)
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        For reasons having to do with the highway trust fund.

        The feds to pick up the tab for repairs, but they are considered the responsibility of another federal agency and program, and therefore ineligible for FEMA public assistance funds.

        State, county and local roads are.

    •  They pay ZERO state taxes in Texas (4+ / 0-)
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      "Just because they are Texans doesn't mean we shouldn't help them".

      They brag all about personal responsibility and how the rest of us all live off government handouts and sit on our lazy a$$es while they are so far ahead of the rest of the country with business locating there because they know how to do it the "Texas" way.  They seem to forget those lessons when it's time for them to pony up their own $$ and want the rest of us to foot their bill.

      Let me quote their former governor, George W. Bush, on this one:  

      "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again
      ."

      For those from Texas who don't know the actual quote, it actually says "Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me".  I am not fooled by them anymore.  

      •  No "they" don't say all those things. (3+ / 0-)
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        fuzzyguy, grover, misslegalbeagle

        Some of them do. Many of us say very different things, and post on progressive and Democratic blogs, and such.

        And BTW, there's no income tax. There are state level taxes, including 6 1/4% sales tax.

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 01:12:49 PM PDT

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        •  WA doesn't have income tax either (1+ / 0-)
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          since we're comparing and stuff...

          We pay sales tax, property tax and other taxes. I'm assuming that citizens of West get property tax bills too.

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 02:28:39 PM PDT

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          •  They do (1+ / 0-)
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            I didn't mention that, since those are more for county and city interests; and the comment spoke to residents paying zero state taxes.  The tax on sales and services is probably the most pervasive one, affecting everybody in one way or another. There are other taxes and fees that the state collects as well.
            http://www.window.state.tx.us/...

            Lots of interesting sources of income from state taxation. A tax on SOBs, one officially called the Retaliatory Tax,  There's even a tax on marijuana, which presumably only gets charged when a larger legal case is being made - it is due and payable

            When a "dealer" imports, manufactures, produces, acquires, and/or possesses a controlled substance.

            “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

            by Catte Nappe on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 02:45:26 PM PDT

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            •  SOB tax (2+ / 0-)
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              So they send tax bills to

              George Bush (both of em)
              Rick Perry
              Ron Paul
              John Cornyn
              Ted Nugent
              Lance Armstrong...

              © grover


              So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

              by grover on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 02:57:11 PM PDT

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              •  LOL (0+ / 0-)

                Yes - it is a terminology that does generate some good chuckles. Acronym for Sexually Oriented Business, of course. Years ago I spent months and months dealing with a zoning code revision that wanted to combine charities and SOBs in the same category - x feet from schools, y feet from churches, etc. etc.

                “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

                by Catte Nappe on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 03:24:58 PM PDT

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          •  I should have clarified state INCOME tax (0+ / 0-)

            I live in Pennsylvania and we pay state income tax (3.07%) as well as a state sales tax (6%) plus my county has a 1% sales tax (Regional Asset District that pays for the arts, etc.).  I pay property taxes as well as local/school tax (3%) on top of the usual FICA, etc.

            Perhaps Texas would have the money to take personal responsbility for their lax regulations that result in towns being literally wiped off the map before running to the feds for help.  

            I thought there was a petition they were trying to leave the union.  Any news on the progress of that??

             

      •  Who is "they"? nt (1+ / 0-)
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