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  •  There's a [pattern I've noticed (2+ / 0-)
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    Eric Nelson, helpImdrowning

    in the locations of historic social struggle.  In each case, for all its glory and intensity, the progressive-radical force has lost, and in the end the area becomes at best utterly somnolent and politically apathetic, if not hardline conservative.  Keep in mind that in the 1890s, Kanss was the living heartbeat of American Populism, that actual shooting battles took place in the state legislature, with the united arms of the Republican and Democratic Parties eventually defeating the People's Party more on the field of battle than at the ballot box.  You can find similar social outcomes in places like Lawrence, Mass or Little Falls, NY, sites of great militant labor struggles. or the mining and logging districts of the northwest, which were once the bastions of radicalism in America.

    "You may very well think so, I could not possibly comment." ~ Francis Urquhart, pragmatic political philosopher

    by ActivistGuy on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 01:30:04 AM PDT

    •  You've identified the evolution we've undergone (2+ / 0-)
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      ActivistGuy, helpImdrowning
      .."more on the field of battle than at the ballot box"
      When the 'r' led to the latter - (r)evolution.

      Is that what it's going to take if voting proves it can't be depended on (suppression etc.) for the progress needed to change for the better - 'a more perfect union'?

      It better not. That means we're stuck in a historically closed loop.

      We should be able to have radical change without the backwards step into violence as the only way to break up the old structures that serve the top 1%ers.

      At least I hope we break that loop and fight toward that kind of change

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