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  •  Gulfgal, that's only if the pollster is honest (2+ / 0-)
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    and is striving to ascertain the truth, rather than being hired to promote a political narrative. I don't believe that's true in every case.

    Defending the theft of our freedom by the government is not a legitimate difference of opinion on a political matter -- it is a deeply un-American attitude that deserves nothing but scorn and derision.--Dallasdoc

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 07:40:39 AM PDT

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    •  True, (1+ / 0-)
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      but my main point is that no poll based upon a single question in this case could ever be deemed accurate because the issue is too complex to determine if the person responding to the poll even understand it completely.  So I guess that gets to pollster integrity.  But they could do a lot to remove confusion and bias in how they asked the question and if they were asking confirmation questions. I am not a pollster and do not pretend to be one, but I did have experience working with a reputable pollster in polling on issues, some of which were fairly complex. In our case, we were searching for data, not looking to confirm an internal bias.  

      "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

      by gulfgal98 on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 08:25:50 AM PDT

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      •  One more thing (1+ / 0-)
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        I have noticed a tendency here on dkos for people to bash polls in general.  My experience is that polls can provide us with great usable data when done properly.  It depends on the purpose of the poll and the expertise of the pollster if the information is something of value or only to be used as propaganda. That is why I posted my original comment.  

        "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

        by gulfgal98 on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 08:32:17 AM PDT

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        •  Agreed. I had the same motive. (1+ / 0-)
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          As long as the numbers are collected in a consistent way and the methods are fully explained and followed, biases can be corrected for if there are enough polls. That's what Nate Silver does.

          look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

          by FishOutofWater on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 09:35:29 AM PDT

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      •  and sometimes that's true. Thank God. (1+ / 0-)
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        I agree with you about asking the question multiple ways as a way of getting at the truth.

        it's just that not everybody wants the truth. and that's putting it mildly. (you could start with everyone who's outraged that this is out in the open in the first place as people probably not interested in getting at the truth).

        Defending the theft of our freedom by the government is not a legitimate difference of opinion on a political matter -- it is a deeply un-American attitude that deserves nothing but scorn and derision.--Dallasdoc

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 08:35:43 AM PDT

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