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  •  We can't keep track, there are so many pipelines (6+ / 0-)

    and proposed pipelines.

    What I just found out last night was although the Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline for tar sands bitumen is being blocked, there is another natural gas pipeline, The Pacific Trail Pipeline. It is going through because 15 First Nations along the route have been compensated and signed up for the pipeline. It will carry natural gas to the proposed Liquid Natural Gas plant in Kitimat. It goes along the same route as the proposed Northern Gateway.

    There is also the Kinder Morgan (US owned) pipeline to carry tar sands bitumen that will go to Vancouver. Vancouver's harbour will be dredged to accommodate supertankers. i doubt that many people in Vancouver are aware that their city will become a supertanker port for Asia.

    To thine ownself be true

    by Agathena on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:16:43 AM PDT

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    •  how are people in Vancouver responding (3+ / 0-)
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      and why are the First Nations suddenly fine with a pipeline going through their lands/

      Defending the theft of our freedom by the government is not a legitimate difference of opinion on a political matter -- it is a deeply un-American attitude that deserves nothing but scorn and derision.--Dallasdoc

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:48:04 AM PDT

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      •  First Nations are not a monolith in BC (3+ / 0-)

        Many tribes are against the Enbridge Tar Sands pipeline but some chiefs see the pipelines as an opportunity for jobs. They are getting the hard sell from lobbyists who visit reservations and offer to build new schools, gyms, and/or give the people a share in the profits. There was one case where the lobbyists were kicked out.

        There are tar sands bitumen pipelines and natural gas pipelines. People are more accepting of gas pipelines because  there are no spills. A break in a gas pipeline is a major disaster if it explodes and sets fire to the area but these are rare.

        Vancouver? ask West Coast Environmental Law, they are current on what's going on in Vancouver.

        We have one Green Member of the BC Legislator who is a renown climate scientist. He's pretty busy and he is warning people not to accept the Government's hard sell of natural gas.
        http://www.straight.com/...

        To thine ownself be true

        by Agathena on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:59:34 PM PDT

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      •  Natural gas pipelines are (0+ / 0-)

        far different that Tar Sands pipelines, so the First Nations could rationally support the gas line, while opposing the Tar sands pipeline.

        Orly, it isn't evidence just because you downloaded it from the internet.

        by 6412093 on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 01:33:26 PM PDT

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        •  I see. Well, I do think they're better than TAr (2+ / 0-)
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          Sands. But then getting stabbed in the leg is better than getting shot in the gut, too.

          Defending the theft of our freedom by the government is not a legitimate difference of opinion on a political matter -- it is a deeply un-American attitude that deserves nothing but scorn and derision.--Dallasdoc

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 02:18:20 PM PDT

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    •  umm, my Vancouver BC boy opines that they (1+ / 0-)
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      won't be able to dredge enough to get tankers under the lions gate bridge... the USN has wheedled repeatedly for this, in order to get aircraft carriers under, and it's never been do-able.

      and of course, the (sea) water level is going to be rising also...

      "real" work : a job where you wash your hands BEFORE you use the bathroom...

      by chimene on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 03:57:16 PM PDT

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      •  well, I'm obviously not on the ground there (0+ / 0-)

        but as an organizer, the harbor-dredging would look like a possible target for organizing opposition. Is there anything about the dredging that would be distasteful to Vancouver folks? Maybe the cost, or would Trans Canada pay for it themselves?

        Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 06:52:08 PM PDT

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