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  •  Pffffft! (1+ / 0-)
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    Mr Robert

    1) We're not surprised.  It's confirmation of shit we've been screaming about for years and getting ignored.  So now that we're getting that confirmation, we're supposed to shut up because it's nothing new?  Bullshit.

    2) If you think the left that's criticizing President Obama wasn't critical of President Bush I really don't know what to say.  You clearly paid no attention at all prior to 2009.

    3) The "it's all legal" claim is BS because there has been to serious test of this shit.  The FISA court deals with non-adversarial applications.  It has no ability to reach the question of constitutionality.  And all attempts to challenge domestic spying in regular Article III courts has been quashed by the administration's successful invocation of national security secrets and/or challenging standing on the basis that what's being challenged is secret (so the plaintiffs can't prove they're being spied on.)  Read the congressional record of the debate over section 215.  Nobody - absolutely nobody - had a clue it would be interpreted so broadly.

    4) Invoking WMDs is pure fear-mongering.  There's no evidence and no reason to think that acquiring and storing years and years of US person data is necessary or useful in preventing some terrorist group from getting their hands on WMDs.  You know what helps?  Working with foreign governments to beter control their WMD stockpiles.   To his credit, President Obama has done a fair amount of that.

    5) The old, tired, "criticizing Obama will help the right wing loonies" crap ain't going to fly.  You don't want him criticized from the left?  Help us convince him he needs to stop doing the shit we're criticizing him for.

    “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

    by jrooth on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 09:39:08 AM PDT

    •  You forgot #6: the folks who post their whole (0+ / 0-)

      lives on the internet including the drunken sexting are NOT the people who are up in arms about this. The aforementioned too-much-information people seem to be among the "shruggers": "Nothing about my life is private anymore so why should I care anyhow?". That's not what I say, and jrooth, I suspect neither do you!

      •  That Whole Argument Is Just Stupid (0+ / 0-)

        It's equivalent to dismissing complaints that megacorps have gamed the tax system so they don't have to pay anything by pointing out that the complainers take advantage of the home mortgage deduction.

        On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

        by stevemb on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 03:23:43 PM PDT

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