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    mimi

    and they were 1st gen in an ugly eastern industrial city, they sent their 2nd gen young men off to fight the BadGermans™.

    All but one, a famous high ranking one, came back very much the worse for wear in many ways. The one that didn't come back was a general who was killed doing intelligence work he couldn't bring himself to command his people to do...heroic and fatal.

    There were also Germans in the USA who were rounded up and given temporary housing for the duration.

    I have always been horrified that the German people I knew could have been anyway responsible for Nazi Germany. The phrase Good Germans has always bothered me, not because it was a label, but that it showed how an advanced progressive (for the time) society could fall victim to such an insane human software virus as Nazism.

    But the phrase always seemed to also be a slur that any German citizen was responsible...because otherwise how did they survive?...or something...something that implied they were all guilty, the concept of collective guilt..and during the period when it was most used, the decades after ww2, the concept was during the heyday of tracking the war crimes perpetrators, so that the phrase was also a purposeful in justifying the zeal of a long and weary hunt.

    It seems to me only lately that anybody has redefined the phrase to mean us, the citizens of the USA somehow collectively guilty for everything done in our name with money we gave as taxes...a refocusing of the collective guilt gun.

    It is still a horrifying phrase, one that still has the great meaning in that we should speak and act against the nightmares that could enfold us.

    We have such a clear example of why, always.

    This machine kills Fascists.

    by KenBee on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 02:55:38 AM PDT

    •  thanks for your thoughtful comment (1+ / 0-)
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      I think the reason why almost all people use those guilt triggering expressions or accusation on others is mostly their own inner fears.

      Everybody fears that they might themselves belong one day to those that were bystanders. In order to prevent that, they try to be as watchful as they can and warn others of those dangers and shout-out their thoughts and try to speak truth to power as helplessly or rethorical as they can, in the hope they will by doing so escape such fate.

      It rarely helps, but on the other hand, I am all for voicing and communicating whatever fears and suspicians one has. I  think any efforts to silence those voices for fear of upsetting some others,  should be carefully guarded and reflected on before one accepts them as justified.

      In case you should have misunderstood me, I personally am not offended if someone puts me in the category of "The Good German". Most people are "Good Something" if they are challenged enough and fear for their livelihood. Survival is still the first thing that triggers our actions.

      On the other hand I would not support any attacks on someone online personally with such expressions and therefore fully support the attempt by Black Kos to try to get a handle on overly heated, aggressive racially based expressions.

      I am at work and can't think right now straight. Just wanted to thank you for taking the time and effort to respond.

      •  and thank you back, obviously been on our minds (1+ / 0-)
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        mimi

        since, like forever.

        You said what I wished I'd meant to, that it's fear we could be them..when in fact, we are them.

        Fear that we aren't the Exceptional Americans, another meme to cover the fear we could be religious nuts like Those People Back There....when, in fact...

        There are meaningless differences between Germans and Americans and English etc, at the level of survival and susceptibility to lies and manipulations and one ultimate product: racism.

        Thanks Mimi.

        It segues frighteningly into the BigData™ discussions.

        This machine kills Fascists.

        by KenBee on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 04:44:32 PM PDT

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