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  •  If he is such the hero, (0+ / 0-)

    he should have stayed and faced the music for his beliefs then. Quite simply, I know too many people are dealing with the other issues.

    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. Same goes with cats. We have claws and teeth!

    by triciawyse on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:12:41 AM PDT

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    •  Bradley Manning was tortured (16+ / 0-)

      This country does not follow the rule of law anymore, e.g. Geneva Conventions, habeas corpus, preventative detention, torture.

      No one should have to accept torture as a consequence of blowing the whistle on what they believe to be illegal acts done in the name of the government.

      look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

      by FishOutofWater on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:01:09 PM PDT

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    •  Why does his lack of suffering (3+ / 0-)
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      make what he did worse?

      Sure, it's noble and all that to suffer for your ideals, but I for one think it's just as well to promote those ideals and not suffer.

      And many people, including Snowden himself, have said that he isn't a hero. He's just a guy who had access to this and thought the public should know.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 12:38:51 PM PDT

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      •  And why should Snowden give a shit (1+ / 0-)
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        what the people who don't even support him anyway think that he should do?

        If he hadn't have fled, they still wouldn't support him. If he had stayed put and stuck his wrists out for the handcuffs, they would have tried to discredit him in other ways.

        "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

        by Lost Left Coaster on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 01:39:41 PM PDT

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    •  absurdity alert (0+ / 0-)

      does heroism require a death-wish?

      When someone does something s/he considers "good", must s/he of necessity place self in harm's way?

      To imply he's not a hero because he didn't "face the music" is the most patently absurd thing imaginable.

      FWIW - I don't consider Snowden a hero or coward, smart or stupid, ... anything (I don't know him). He placed himself at immense risk is all I know.

      Jeebus - do you really think this way? I can't believe that your litmus test for heroic action requires "must place self in harm's way afterwards". I don't believe you think that way really - I think you're just desperate for some reason to defend your diary against absolutely any disagree-er. It's silly.

      You have a healthy following of "thank you for your diary" sycophants, and have been reclisted more times than I can remember. Try to let some of these things go - the silly rejoinders don't improve your standing

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