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  •  These are all solid points. (0+ / 0-)

    I think they overwhelmingly complement rather than contradict the points that I've tried to make about where the priorities of our focus have to be.

    1.  A state where the police have to obey the law is much less nurturing to an abusive intelligence community, and drastically limits how illegitimately-obtained information can be used to curb liberties.  (The NSA doesn't have an "enforcement" arm - all of the actual abuse of liberty happens in the FBI, DHS, and state and local police forces).

    2.  A state where the Catch-22 "standing" loophole is closed opens up the courts to holding abusive military-industrial institutions accountable through civil action.

    3.  The data you're talking about is already on the market.  It's created by the market.  The government only gets it by demanding that corporations fork it over.  So do something about the ability of corporations to gather it in the first place, or take personal measures to limit your exposure if it's a major concern.

    Nothing makes a Republican angrier than a smile on a poor child's face.

    by Troubadour on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 04:17:06 PM PDT

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    •  (3) is factually wrong (0+ / 0-)

      The NSA is extracting data directly from the routers at Verizon, AT&T, etc..  Information which Verizon, AT&T, etc. do NOT store OR sell.

      •  A distinction without a difference. (0+ / 0-)

        They have the information only because their customers give it to them, and they voluntarily permit the government to do what it's doing rather than fighting it in court despite having standing.  

        Nothing makes a Republican angrier than a smile on a poor child's face.

        by Troubadour on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 01:52:05 AM PDT

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