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  •  In all the times I protested agains the Bush (5+ / 0-)

    Junta, I never once feared for my life. (Even when I was physically assaulted, I had no fear that I would die.) There were times when I was more concerned than others for my safety, but I never once worried that the government was going to kill me for protesting. More likely, one of those right-wing knuckle-dragging Yahoos.

    I think you are selling your generation's (and your own!) contribution way, way short by comparison. Kent State proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the government would have no compunction whatsoever about killing you to silence you.

    Compared to what you and your generation went through, what I experienced was a picnic in the park. I salute your contribution and know that history will look upon you very kindly.

    •  You weren't here in Oakland (14+ / 0-)

      during Occupy. More than one person was almost killed by the police. They've certainly learned not to send out the national guard to protests, or to give the police live ammo. But the stuff they do give them is bad enough. And we were regularly treated in a manner that's basically torture. Use of tasers, pain compliance, shooting tear gas canisters at people's heads.

      I don't want to sell short the older generation's experience either, but it's no walk in the park here either.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 03:26:36 PM PDT

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      •  Eventually those criminal police... (5+ / 0-)

        are going to need to go to prison or be executed.  Perhaps without a revolution, perhaps with one.  It remains to be seen when it will happen.  20 years?  Tomorrow?  (There is a nasty scenario under which it doesn't happen, but that scenario doesn't seem likely because it involves the people in power giving the police much better pensions, and the trends are all the other way around.)

        •  executed? (0+ / 0-)

          did you really just type that?

          let's ignore for a minute how wholly not-liberal supporting the death penalty is.

          did you really just call for people to be executed?

          Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

          by Cedwyn on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 06:48:05 AM PDT

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          •  Plenty of people call for executions here (2+ / 0-)
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            They generally call them drone strikes and everyone is fine with it.

            It's okay to call for violence if the government does it.

            If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

            by AoT on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 09:20:25 AM PDT

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      •  I watched the livestreams of the police riots (2 (4+ / 0-)

        I specifically recall) during Occupy Oakland. We had our share of police thuggery down here at Occupy Los Angeles, but nothing on the scale of OOakland.

        I wrote off Jerry Brown totally, based on his complete utter silence about what the cops did in Oakland. I'll never vote for him ever again. And I willl work to see that he is defeated should he try to run for any higher office. And when Obama maintained his famed aloof professorial persona as his constituents were being violated adn brutalized in Oct and Nov of 2011, I wrote him off for 2012 too.

        There's a great documentary about the anti-war movement  at the U of Wisconsin in Madison, WI called 'The War at Home" that gives a great sense of what the situation was like for college protesters back then. Well worth watching if you can find it. (I don't have NetFlix or Cable or any of the newer filmic technologies, so not sure whether it's readily available.)

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