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  •  The servers are NOT their primary servers ... (4+ / 0-)

    ... They are FTP servers for the purpose of dropping logs when ordered by the NSA/FISA ... From the story I linked to:

    UPDATE: A new article posted at the Guardian by Charles Arthur and Dominic Rushe walked back the “direct access” claim made in Greenwald’s original article and confirmed the FTP/Dropbox theory.

    The Guardian understands that the NSA approached those companies and asked them to enable a “dropbox” system whereby legally requested data could be copied from their own server out to an NSA-owned system. That has allowed the companies to deny that there is “direct or indirect” NSA access, to deny that there is a “back door” to their systems, and that they only comply with “legal” requests – while not explaining the scope of that access.

    •  When ordered by the NSA (2+ / 0-)
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      Garrett, deep info

      not FISA.

      I suggest some of you try to understand the law, Section 702.

      I wrote about it.

      Maybe then techies will understand what the actual fucking story is here

    •  That is your claim (0+ / 0-)

      That the purpose of the FTP/Dropbox is to provide "logs".

      We have not seen the 702 orders to these various providers to have any idea what is obtained by the NSA.

      Actually, the FTP/Dropbox theory conveniently allows the companies an opportunity to paint their participation in the best light possible under the circumstances. Without seeing a 702 order that specifies how information will be made available and in what form, we cannot know the true scope of what the access is.

      Having an actual 702 order to review would reveal the veracity of the claims by the companies involved. It is entirely possible that the scope of the 702 order is "put all of your customer data on the FTP/Dropbox server(s)". If the released Verizon order is indicative at all to the scope of NSA data gathering orders - and there isn't any reason to think it isn't - then it involves the companies - providing information on the activities or associations of millions, tens of millions, or even hundreds of millions of American citizens on a daily basis.

      None of the companies listed in the slide are neutral actors here. They have a self-interest dimension as well. It is important to keep that in mind.

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