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  •  The NSA claims it (2+ / 0-)
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    ukit, deep info

    You keep following the "direct access" red herring.

    You just do not understand the story.

    •  The story? (3+ / 0-)
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      fou, Argyrios, Tony Situ

      Oh, so ignore that "red herring" that the NSA does NOT have direct access and ... well, that little tale about the NSA having access to everyone's activity is, how do you say it? Help me, because I am soooo ignorant ... INCORRECT?

      •  Proving yet again you really don't (7+ / 0-)

        understand the story.

        The NSA has compete access via providers bringing data to servers that the NSA does have direct access to.

        It happens when the NSA requests it pursuant to Section 702.

        Section 702 requests need only be cetfieid by the AG and the DNI, and after a week, the FISA court approves minimization procedures or orders them modified.

        THe NSA has 30 days to modifiy the minimization procedures all the while surveilling content.

        For 37 days, without court approved minimization procedures (which are most likely a joke in the first place, see Verizon order) the NSA has access to all content it requests from providers.

        That is the REAL story. Get it yet?

        •  LMAO (1+ / 0-)
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          Tony Situ

          oh god.. I apologize for my comment below then.  I thought you were still standing by your Section 215 of the PATRIOT ACT/Section 702 of the FISA argument to try and undermine the overall legality of this based solely on what you've read in the press or heard from the infallible Mr. Greenwald.

          I had no idea you were trying to make an argument about the dastardly 37 day window related to minimization.

          wow.,. I mean, yeah.. I "get" the story now.  The REAL one.  

          There is definitely "most likely a joke here" but I don't think I need to re-read the Verizon order to see it.

          Please keep posting.  Other people need to follow these delicious breadcrumbs to see the "REAL" counter-argument here.  

          You should diary this more thoroughly.  Skip the Section 215 4th amendment adherence bit... go straight to this.

          Please.

          Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

          by Wisper on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 07:12:47 PM PDT

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        •  You're wrong Armando. (2+ / 0-)
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          I appreciated your other diary for its thoroughness, but I disagreed with its assumptions.

          The NSA has direct access only to what these companies upload via FTP. The claim that they have direct, real time access is completely bogus. The claim they have direct access via FTP is like claiming I have direct access to your bank account when and because you transfer money into mine.

          •  Direct access was expressly not my assumption (1+ / 0-)
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            deep info

            So what was I wrong about?

            I'm sorry but you reading of my diary was not thorough.

            Indeed, consider your comment here. You write:

            "The NSA has direct access only to what these companies upload via FTP."

            And what do you think that is? Everything the nsa requests, per Section 702.

            You write "The claim they have direct access via FTP is like claiming I have direct access to your bank account when and because you transfer money into mine."

            No the claim is I have direct access to whatever you have in your bank acct because I have the power to compel you to transfer everything you have into my account.

            See I wrote about this in my post. Almost in these terms.

            Now do I know this is happening? Not directly But the reporting and the statements from the DNI (I relied not at all on Greenwald) indicate that this is precisely what is happening.

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