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  •  If you wait (3+ / 0-)

    you will never get the information.

    What are you doing to fight the dangerous and counterproductive error of treating dirtbag terrorist criminals as though they were comic book supervillains? I can't believe we still have to argue this shit, let alone on Daily Kos.

    by happymisanthropy on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 10:17:20 PM PDT

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    •  Huh? (5+ / 0-)

      Greenwald says he has a lot more to disclose.

      We just found out yesterday that Snowden has shown documents to the Chinese.

      Some of Snowden's online history has been made available on the net.

      Greenwald has refused to walk back his inaccuracies about the methods that data is retrieved by the NSA.  That's interesting in itself.

      Various meetings have been held in public by our government, and plenty of statements have come from that.

      There are lots of articles and analysis that have been written since this broke, and there will be more.

      •  That didn't come (0+ / 0-)

        from waiting.

        Do you think Snowden knows 10% of what the NSA is doing?  5%? 1%?

        What are you doing to fight the dangerous and counterproductive error of treating dirtbag terrorist criminals as though they were comic book supervillains? I can't believe we still have to argue this shit, let alone on Daily Kos.

        by happymisanthropy on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:30:16 PM PDT

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        •  What was said (4+ / 0-)
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          by Tortmaster was 'waiting to make a judgment'.  You know, as in letting the facts come out.

          I have no idea what Snowden really knows.  I know that he said he was making $200K, when he was really making $122K.  That's a 64% exaggeration, and does lead to questions about his truthfulness.

          I know that I am against the Patriot Act and think it needs to be repealed, but I think that's a pipedream.  Maybe someday in the future -- at least I hope.

          I also know that Al Franken voted against the Patriot Act reauth, and he said this:

          "I’m on the Judiciary committee and the Judiciary committee has jurisdiction (over) N.S.A. and on (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) and the Patriot Act," he said. "I availed myself of these briefings so nothing surprised me and the architecture of these programs I was very well aware of."

          Last week, as the first disclosures were coming out about the N.S.A.'s collection of phone data, Franken said that: "The American public can't be kept in the dark about the basic architecture of the programs designed to protect them."

          On Monday, he said, "I think there should be enough transparency that the American people understand what is happening...But I can assure you that this isn’t about spying on the American people."

          http://www.startribune.com/...

          •  It's about spying on the American People. (0+ / 0-)

            Charitably, Franken has been stonewalled and lied to by DNI Clapper and the other "intelligence community" people.

            That's one of the things which Ron Wyden demonstrated to us.  Clapper & company are lying even to the Intelligence committee.  They're obviously lying to the Judiciary committee too.

          •  His former company never actually disputed (1+ / 0-)
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            his claim of making "around $200,000 per year."

            They issued a press release stating the BASE wage for that position is $122,000 per year.

            They never stated that he was making the base wage for his position in the company, merely told us what the base wage was for that position.

            People keep going on and on that he "lied" about his salary, but I have read that press release over and over, and it is full of weasel words.

            If he were making the absolute "base" wage for that position, and they could obviously prove it as the company paying that wage... Why wouldn't they do it, and be able to brand him a proven liar to the public, thereby blunting anything else he has to say as unreliabe in the court of public opinion?

            My belief is they haven't done so, because they can't do so...

            "It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." Oscar Wilde, 1891

            by MichiganGirl on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 07:23:17 AM PDT

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      •  Greenwald likely right about NSA data collection (0+ / 0-)

        What "inaccuracies"?  The NSA has lied about a bunch of stuff, and that's been proven -- we know Clapper lied outright to the Senate Intelligence Committed.  But there's no evidence that Greenwald was wrong about NSA data collection methods; he appears to have been right.

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