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  •  I'm not sure any of this is really answering the (0+ / 0-)

    question I had.

    Specifically, if in the process of moving from the old version of [new] to the new version of [new] created alot of problems, then why did this particular problem impact only this page:

    The problem is that on this particular page only (using today's live digest, so you can see for yourself the way this operates) the number of comments that are shown as new is always the total number of comments in that thread (but only on the preview at the outset, not within the diary itself).

    I understand that you're trying to move to another new system altogether, but why is that at all relevant to the particular problem I'm talking about?

    And I have the distinct feeling that either this is because it isn't relevant, or it is because the replies that are constantly given on this issue are written in such technical jargon as to be completely indecipherable to all of us who don't understand it at all.

    If this was happening system/site wide I would understand the relevance of the response, but the simple fact of the matter is that this is only happening on one very highly trafficked subsite so it would seem to me not to be a system wide thing, but a particularized problem that may or may not be easy to fix.

    Additionally, the lack of a functioning new feature on this subsite alone has contributed to what I see as a substantial decline in the commenting amount on these diaries (DKE) and these diaries alone. Overall, the new [new] feature works just fine from my vantage point especially in diary, except for this one huge problem.

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    by wwmiv on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 02:01:23 PM PDT

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    •  Here's the details (3+ / 0-)
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      Sorry, I never know quite how detailed to get in these explanations of the internals of dk.  I'll do my best to refrain from technical jargon, though, to be sure, we're deep in the nuts and bolts here, so forgive me if I resort to it some.

      To clear up your first question- the count of new comments you highlighted in your screen shot comes from the same data-store as the [new] decoration, so we are indeed talking about the same issue here.

      So, here's the details.  We moved the recording of which comments you had read from the database server to the user's browser.  We use a feature similar to cookies called Local Storage.  It is a bit of text storage in the browser available to just the domain that wrote it.  There is a well founded privacy concern of the browser manufactures over keeping information one website wrote inaccessible to other websites.  To the browser, for the sake of this feature, elections.dailykos.com is different than dailykos.com, and the Local Storage created on one can't be read from the other.

      That said, the exact same content from elections.dailykos.com is available at www.dailykos.com/blog/elections with the same domain as the original, so the counts will be the same if you move from www.dailykos.com/blog/elections to a story.  

      As for why waiting for the new story page is relavant to the particular problem you experiencing, my answer is a long winded way of trying to explain the issue not a technical limitation, its a resources limitation.  We are a tech department of five people- with responsibilities that include moderation, quality assurance, database administration, system operations, as well as development, so have to be very wise about where we spend our time.  We have chosen not to do new development on the old system, instead replacing the pages as we go.  The full featured [new] decoration and new comment count will return when the new page rolls out.  

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