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  •  No, it means (12+ / 0-)

    for the all money spent on all these different intelligence agencies, much of their functionality likely being duplicative, they should at least have enough of their shit together to not fuck up a fingerprint, for starters.




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
    ~ Jerry Garcia

    by DeadHead on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 04:37:49 AM PDT

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    •  Or at least check travel history (9+ / 0-)

      "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

      by LaFeminista on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 04:42:51 AM PDT

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      •  That, too, of course. (2+ / 0-)
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        IOW, a little competence goes a long way.




        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
        ~ Jerry Garcia

        by DeadHead on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 05:25:36 AM PDT

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      •  The fingerprint was on a bag of detonators (9+ / 0-)

        So Mayfield could have conceivably been literally "in touch" with the conspiracy to bomb the Madrid trains without having set foot in Spain.

        That he'd converted to Islam and had represented a convicted terrorist in a child custody case added to the FBI's interest.

        The proceeds of the 24-hour surveillance they launched, like the proceeds of the searches of his home and office, ran against their suspicions, however.  The guy was such a solid citizen.

        They arrested him when they did because there'd been a leak somewhere -- they were getting media enquiries about the investigation and feared Mayfield would be tipped off and would flee or destroy evidence.

        In the end, the FBI issued its one and only public apology ever and set about reforming it laboratory procedures (yet again).  

        Copious details without a paywall:  A Review of the FBI's Handling of the Brandon Mayfield Case

        And now to answer Elmo:  No, the Mayfield case does not mean we should not maintain a database of fingerprints or use fingerprints in investigating crimes.

        It means we should recognize that evidence of any kind can be misinterpreted and that misinterpretation can totally trash the lives of those who wrongly fall under suspicion.  In other cases, lives have even been extinguished.

        The tsunami of data the Defense Department, through its NSA Prism program, has demanded during the last five or six years on Americans with no criminal connections whatsoever holds dangers for us all.

        The complacent who think their "innocence" will protect them and those they care about from the surveillance state are fools.  THAT is the lesson of Mayfield.

        "Injustice wears ever the same harsh face wherever it shows itself." - Ralph Ellison

        by KateCrashes on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 05:43:52 AM PDT

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        •  Thanks for the link I have started reading it (1+ / 0-)
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          The FBI's own conclusions first of course.

          Interesting their thoughts surrounding what the Patriot Act allows them to do

          "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

          by LaFeminista on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 06:10:47 AM PDT

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        •  How can that be the lesson of Mayfield? (0+ / 0-)

          He was exonerated, eventually.

          I think the lesson of Mayfield is that we may all potentially have to fight to prove our innocence. So it pays to know a good lawyer or two.

      •  Checking travel history? (0+ / 0-)

        Now, how could they do that, if there is no collection of data, much less metadata?

        Hmm?

        •  Come on. Passport control. Haven't you travelled? (1+ / 0-)
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          Strawman argument comparing apples and oranges.

          Ingress and egress data from passport control has nothing to do with grabbing daily records of everyone's phone calls.

          No one's saying the government shouldn't store data from passport control. No one's saying to abolish passports so we all become undocumented immigrants.

          The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

          by lotlizard on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 03:26:33 AM PDT

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