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  •  Best diary yet on this (7+ / 0-)

    And believe me, I've been reading a LOT, here and elsewhere.

    One thing that is different this time is the international scale of the surveillance, and the fact that other countries -- some of which truly understand the reality of living in surveillance-centered regimes -- have locked onto this, and I don't expect them to let go.  What has been, up til now, an 'internal' civil rights problem has now become a matter of international diplomacy and of trade.

    China, I read this morning, has just initiated a new diplomatic office to deal with cybersecurity.  And a Chinese spokesperson has said that China is now motivated to stop buying computer hardware from other  countries and will begin manufacturing all their own computer components to avoid backdoors.

    Remember that members of the Internet/computer industry comprise a good portion of the 1%.  And how much of the USA's GDP derives from that trade? (I don't know; I'm asking.)

    And remember that only a few pages of NSA material have been shown to the world public.  Greenwald assures us there is more to come.

    My gut feeling, bolstered by extensive reading of non-MSM sources indicate to me that the 'talking points' propaganda had little effect, and that even that small effect is wearing thin.  This time, I think the issue has legs.

    •  Trade in American (4+ / 0-)
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      computer programs and products will undoubtedly suffer. Think iPads, iPhones, and more to the point, Google Glass. Google's street view function, and the vans that performed it, are already regarded as suspicious in some quarters in the EU. Quite frankly, most American products have been implicated to the extent that my landlady, who has no connection with the US at all was going on about the hacking of her Yahoo account as if it was part of a conspiracy rather than some random spammer. Considering Google, Yahoo, Apple, Microsoft et al. produce some of the last American exports, you'd think they would have been a little more careful.

      You..ought to be out raising hell. This is the fighting age. Put on your fighting clothes. -Mother Jones

      by northsylvania on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 02:52:24 PM PDT

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      •  Gee, ya think? (2+ / 0-)
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        'But don't worry; this is all Top Top Secret; it's covered up so deep that nobody will ever find out.  And oh, yeah, why don't you go ahead and invest your bonus this year in tech stocks?'

      •  so that's why they're so mad at Snowden (1+ / 0-)
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        He cost the big players a lot of money in the largest emerging market in the world, while helping kickstart a Chinese computer manufacturing industry.

        yeah, i wouldn't want to be him.

        Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

        by kamarvt on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 06:35:52 AM PDT

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