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  •  I'd like to pose a question: (0+ / 0-)

    As horrible as the Patriot Act and FISA is, has it really, I mean REALLY, impacted your lives at all in a tangible, concrete way?  For me, the answer is no, other than making it longer to get through the airport scanner.  Beyond that, has anyone here's life really been affected at all?

    I realize that those laws are horrible and oppressive in an abstract sense, but in a real tangible, concrete sense are they really as oppressive as all that?  Judging from those laws' impact (lack thereof) on my own life, I'd have to say no (not that I'd be against reforms).  But I can't claim to speak for everyone.  Has anyone had their lives oppressed in a concrete way?  I'd be interested to here peoples' experiences on that. :)

    •  No, it hasn't as yet... (4+ / 0-)
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      but to what extent will this surveillance grow unchecked?

      Check out how the surveillance affected attorney Brandon Mayfield's life;

      Falsely accused, arrested and held

      The Patriot Act and FISA secret court most definitely affected him and his family.

      I watched the anguish on his and his wife's faces when this whole thing started...they were scared. Luckily, it did work out for him- but it may not turn out the same way for others.

      I'm not necessarily concerned about myself, but I am concerned about how this could affect other innocent citizens.

      FORWARD! Obama/Biden 2012

      by Esjaydee on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 05:17:19 PM PDT

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    •  Go look up "panopticon effect" (3+ / 0-)
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      and then ask yourself if the knowledge that all your communications are monitored has had any effect on your online presence or on your activism, or if it might.

      Then consider what your response would be if someone you knew had been denied a job, or a bank loan, because of something they said in private that had then been reported to the employer or the bank.

      I think that in the short run, the biggest impact of this "new normal" will be the panopticon effect.

      Let us hope that we never move to the more sinister things you and I can surely imagine.

      Bruce in Louisville
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      by bmaples on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 07:28:23 PM PDT

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    •  Was the Stamp Act REALLY that oppressive? (2+ / 0-)
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      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 08:59:52 PM PDT

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    •  paranoia strikes deep (0+ / 0-)

      into your heart it will creep

    •  Yes. they have. Chilling effect. (0+ / 0-)

      if you need more than that, you're on your own.

      Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

      by kamarvt on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 06:49:23 AM PDT

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