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  •  A fascinating Cracked article on elections (1+ / 0-)
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    that were helped by some unorthodox tactics:
    http://www.cracked.com/...

    "Didn't anyone ever tell you? There's one thing you never put in a trap—if you're smart, if you value your continued existence, if you have any plans about seeing tomorrow—there's one thing you never—ever, put in a trap. …Me." -The Eleventh Doctor

    by KingofSpades on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 08:59:43 AM PDT

    •  Pretty sure that Niggas in Paris (1+ / 0-)
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      video, while AMAZING (what got me into the song after hating it due to a roommate that played his radio way too much), was unofficial.

      Keep cool; never freeze. | Pro-transit young black urban progressive | SSP/DKE | -9, -7.79 | NJ-05/NY-?? - Oh, how I missed you, pizza | Yard signs don't vote.

      by gabjoh on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 09:26:07 AM PDT

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    •  I'm mildly irate about the theft of Carter's notes (3+ / 0-)
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      I wonder if that would have helped him win by a hair.  Anyone remember his debate with Reagan?  Was it as bad for Carter as the article implies?

      "Didn't anyone ever tell you? There's one thing you never put in a trap—if you're smart, if you value your continued existence, if you have any plans about seeing tomorrow—there's one thing you never—ever, put in a trap. …Me." -The Eleventh Doctor

      by KingofSpades on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 11:28:00 AM PDT

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      •  It was pretty bad for Dems (5+ / 0-)

        I don't think it was that Carter was so bad as Reagan was good.  

        The debate doubtless did us damage and often is cited as the reason Carter lost.  The conventional narrative is Carter and Reagan were neck and neck until the debate (the only Carter-Reagan face off) blew the GOP's lead wide open.  I've heard and agree with the interpretation that while the debate did help Reagan he would have won without it.  Given the bad economy and the hostage crisis I don't know how Carter was supposed to beat any reasonably competent Republican.  

        Of course I wasn't alive then so that's just my best reading based on what I know.  

        23, male, CA-18 (home and voting there), LA-01 (college).

        by Jeff Singer on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 11:55:21 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah (3+ / 0-)
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          I wasnt alive then either, but I dont tink Reagan needed the debate win to win the election.

          But the big debate win + inflation +the energy crisis + the Iran hostage crisis was what gave him a bigger margin of victory.

          •  Also, I notice in the article (4+ / 0-)

            they mention that the CW at the time was that Reagan was just a B-list movie actor.

            Even at the time, that seems like a foolish criticism. First,  he was two term governor of CA, and secondly, in the TV era, any successful candidate needs to be able to perform well in front a camera to win votes, and certainly Reagan's acting experience probably helped even if he wasnt Humphrey Bogart.

        •  it didn't help that wasn't the only way Reagan (3+ / 0-)
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          cheated.

          ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

          by James Allen on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 12:25:21 PM PDT

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        •  I remember it well & debate is badly overstated... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...as a factor.

          Part of the problem was that in real time, a lot of people did think that it was close and Carter might win.

          But that was illusion.  There wasn't a lot of polling back then, campaigns then as now were circumspect, and probably the campaigns' own polling might not have been as good as campaign polling is today.  The notion that Carter could still win was based entirely in the thought that Reagan might be viewed as too extreme ideologically, and while the debate helped erase that, it had dissipated as a factor earlier.  It still was a "problem" for his popular vote share as proven by John Anderson and others combining for 9%, and he wouldn't be elected with today's demographics.  But Carter's job approval was in the 20s and 30s, not even the low 40s, and at 41% he actually outperformed his approvals as it was.

          45, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

          by DCCyclone on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 06:43:08 AM PDT

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      •  I've watched it... (2+ / 0-)
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        Carter was pretty awful in that debate.  His body language and demeanor made him seem like an asshole.  Reagan's win and Brown's win in MA make it clear to any struggling incumbent--do not have a debate with potentially strong challenger a week before election day (especially without early voting).

        GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

        by LordMike on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 12:42:37 PM PDT

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