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  •  The increased number of employees will send (6+ / 0-)

    the cost of disability insurance much higher.  Your company should compare that expense and the value of having happy healthy employees who do not want to leave at first opportunity, thus saving hiring and training expenses.

    If love could have saved you, you would have lived forever. & http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Okiciyap

    by weck on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 05:47:58 PM PDT

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    •  Stop, you're killing me. (4+ / 0-)
      Your company should compare that expense and the value of having happy healthy employees who do not want to leave at first opportunity, thus saving hiring and training expenses.
    •  This is a simple economic calculation (8+ / 0-)

      Businesses don't hire employees to make people happy. They hire employees if, and only if, the employees make the business more profitable.  When you increase the cost per hour of that employee, you decrease the profitability of that employee.  

      When you have such a stark increase in the cost of a employee when he/she works over 30 hours, the clear financial incentive, for anyone who can work a calculator, is to have employee work under 30 hours.  Anyone with half a brain who read the ACA could see this incentive in the bill.  I agree that it's a bad and stupid incentive. But that's the financial incentive that was written into the ACA.  It makes no sense to blame a business for doing the exact thing that the ACA makes financially more attractive -- hiring more part time employees over fewer full time employees. Really, does anyone seriously expect business to take the path that is LESS financially attractive?

    •  you would think, but... (5+ / 0-)
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      it is too easy to find a replacement.  The company pays the highest in the region, (normal pay is $11.50 to $13.50, we start at $14 with 1% annual increases for the next three years) so the management likes to claim the high ground that "we pay better than anyone else here" and that we should be happy to have what job we have.

      The cost of more workers should not be that much vs increased cost from the new insurance rules.  Part time workers cost less for workers comp, and if they are hurt, there is no requirement to give them light duty.

      They get hurt, you pay the medical bills and when they get cleared for duty, put them back to work.  Full timers have to get light duty so they can keep the pay checks going.  (sprained my ankle moving an obese person, the company paid all the medical bills and covered the physical therapy, but I could not work for three months. I was lucky my other part time jobs would let me work.)

      Stupid question hour starts now and ends in five minutes.

      by DrillSgtK on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 05:59:55 PM PDT

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      •  Each situation is unique, but anyone who could (5+ / 0-)

        get a better job would leave wouldn't they?  High turnover is detrimental to the company; the Costco model works! The Wegman's model works!  Treat your employees well and they will treat the customers well.

        If love could have saved you, you would have lived forever. & http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Okiciyap

        by weck on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 06:08:42 PM PDT

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        •  Not necessarily true. (2+ / 0-)
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          High turnover is sometimes built into certain businesses. I have a friend who owns a restaurant and even when he offers good wages and benefits compared to his competition, there's a big turnover.Offering something just a little bit better than his competition (you can't offer a HUGE difference from your competition without making your prices not competitive) often doesn't make a difference in your turnover rate.  Businesses can track and measure that.      

          If this were a tight job market, where losing an employee meant you couldn't find someone else, you might be right.  But in today's job market, for jobs that don't require highly technically skilled workers, it's just not true that turnover costs you a lot of money.  Turnover only costs a lot of money when the employer has to invest a significant training cost in an employee. If the job does not require a lot of training time and cost on the part of the employer, then turnover doesn't cost all that much and is simply a part of the business model.  

          •  Can we agree that ^ is a poor business model to (1+ / 0-)
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            strive for?  

            If love could have saved you, you would have lived forever. & http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Okiciyap

            by weck on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 06:37:32 PM PDT

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            •  No, we cannot. It depends. (1+ / 0-)
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              If turnover in certain positions does not cost the business very much, then it is a better "business model" to have each employee cost less and have higher turnover than it does to have each employee cost more and have less turnover.  

              Businesses actually measure the cost of a new employee.  (I know we do.)  In some positions, turnover costs more than in other positions.  Whether planning for a certain amount of turnover is a "poor business model" or a good business model depends on a number of things, including the costs associated with turnover.  

              In other words, it depends on the business and the position the employee holds.  Any successful business can actually calculate those things.  

          •  I was told by my father that (1+ / 0-)
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            offering a slight premium made it important for employees to care about doing a good job.

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