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  •  The Europeans aren't biting (4+ / 0-)
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    commonmass, Just Bob, DRo, wintergreen8694

    They're taking a wait-and-see attitude, with verbal condemnations of alleged chemical weapons use but no rush to get involved. I suspect they are still wishing they hadn't joined the "NATO" campaigns in Iraq & Afghanistan, and with austerity biting at home, can't risk more money & men and political capital on another risky venture.

    I dislike psychological analysis of political decisions, but the only way this makes sense to me is if Obama still thinks that if he makes nice with the Republicans and hard-liners on this one, they will like him and play nice with him on domestic issues. Ain't gonna happen. This hasn't yet descended into farce (at least on the White House side), but it certainly is tragic.

    •  First as tragedy (4+ / 0-)

      then as farce.  That's what the old man in the library said.

      "You may very well think so, I could not possibly comment." ~ Francis Urquhart, pragmatic political philosopher

      by ActivistGuy on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 05:03:08 AM PDT

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    •  The europeans have learned their lesson. (6+ / 0-)

      What we need to learn is that just because our commitment to the British during WW II saved some of them from totalitarian brutality and domination does not mean that western Europe must remain in a permanent state of servitude to our interests as a way of showing gratitude. This is the attitude that resulted in "freedom fries", this lack of slavish deference in jumping into a quagmire with us with both feet in Iraq. Europe saw what happened there. They don't want any part of it, they can't afford it, and western Europeans don't want to be at war. I don't blame them.

      Our knee-jerk need to "protect our interests" all over the globe has gotten pretty ridiculous, mainly because we have lost sight of just what our interests are. We really need to sit down and think about that without all the glorified militarism which has permeated every strata of our society. Kaiser Bill would recognize the influence of our military on government and population alike. We fought against that kind of militarism you know, and won. Now it's bit us, and I see no sign of it ending well.

      I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

      by commonmass on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 05:03:14 AM PDT

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    •  that is bull. Obama is not courting (0+ / 0-)

      Repubs or any other group.

      He made a real mistake drawing the red line. Now it is put up or forever shut up.

      You say you dislike "psychological analysis of political decisions" so why do you attempt it? Especially when you are just repeating shit.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 05:53:06 AM PDT

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    •  wrong about the Europeans (0+ / 0-)

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