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  •  Who said it was a conspiracy? (8+ / 0-)

    I sure didn't and don't cite any articles making such claims.

    I hope I was pretty clear with the statement (new emphasis):

    Then, the internet changed everything, turning a well-monitored trickle of data into a high pressure firehose surveillance organizations rushed to capitalize on but found overwhelming in volume, rapidly falling behind both in technology, capacity and funding.

    Again, 9/11 changed everything, when failing in their basic mission to intercept a threat, the organization got the argument and unquestioning compliance of the Executive and Congressional branches to fund an unprecedented expansion, including the justification to expand surveillance domestically.

    Sucking From The Hose

    As telephone systems including mobile became all digital and traffic merged with the internet, the means to tap into the data stream and store records became a more simple and automated if larger scale and more daunting task, but an irresistible one to those convinced more is better, and empowered by the Patriot Act, the wheels turned.

    This describe a situation, a problem if you will, that is one factor that has resulted in an unprecedented expansion of resources, capacity and capabilities.

    Regardless of why it came into being, we are now faced with the questions of the hazards involved  and the uses it is or could be put to.

    I think the fact that some of the chief architects of NSA technology and systems have raised the alarm speaks for itself.

    In any case, my purpose here is to inform and defang the assumption that because this is questioned, it is "CT", which obviously a lot of Daily Kos members jump to with less foundation in fact than those they criticize. This is intellectual laziness I hope we can get past.

    I have been very careful here to avoid what I personally consider to be questionable assertions, and so I suggest you actually read the articles I have linked if you have not done so because the information speaks volumes more than I can.

    Don't take my word, read and decide for yourself if there are hazards here you need to be concerned with.

    400ppm : what about my daughter's future?

    by koNko on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 10:23:22 AM PDT

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    •  Why now? (3+ / 0-)
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      Onomastic, deep info, koNko
      Regardless of why it came into being, we are now faced with the questions of the hazards involved  and the uses it is or could be put to.
      Why haven't we always been faced with this question?

      The NSA has existed since the fifties. The FISA court has existed since the 70s. Anybody claiming (and I know you're not) that we have just now learned of this is at best woefully ignorant.

      The fact that we have the capabilities Snowden describes doesn't bother me one bit. The thing that has always bothered me is the FISA court and the fact that the government can make legal justifications in secret. That kind of secrecy is incompatible with the increasing surveillance powers the NSA has. The head of the NSA testified that they expunge data every five years. I think that that's when classified legal briefs should be declassified. We should eventually get to know how and why the government justified its surveillance of a given target.

      Thanks for the informative diary.

      •  Because we are here now? (1+ / 0-)
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        Not enough people have asked the questions you raise, I hope this prompts it.

        One thing about now verses the past, is the technology which enables this on an unprecedented scale, and I do think that adds to the urgency.

        400ppm : what about my daughter's future?

        by koNko on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 06:27:32 AM PDT

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