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  •  What just absolutely floors me (13+ / 0-)

    is that the jackasses in congress cannot seem to understand that THEY could be the next (if they are not already the TOP) targets. And why would that be so? Because grasshopper, then you can blackmail their asses into doing exactly what you want.

    American Television is a vast sea of stupid. -xxdr zombiexx

    by glitterscale on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 06:55:48 AM PDT

    •  And we already KNOW journalists (7+ / 0-)

      names are at the TOP of the list. And why would that be grasshopper? Because THEY have the national megaphone and you want to make damn sure they say what you WANT them to say.

      American Television is a vast sea of stupid. -xxdr zombiexx

      by glitterscale on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 06:57:12 AM PDT

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      •  Many writers want to be part of the establishment (6+ / 0-)

        It's dismaying to see guys like Andrew Sullivan and Josh Marshall and David Simon straining so hard to defend the administration's spying. They are so determined to prove that they are not Naderites or Howard Dean or Greenwaldians that they invent every possible excuse for practices they would excoriate coming from a McCain or Romney regime.

        • “Animals are my friends. And I don't eat my friends.” —George Bernard Shaw

        by Hudson on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 07:23:36 AM PDT

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        •  Not True (0+ / 0-)

          Can't speak for Sullivan and Simon since I don't read them - but Josh Marshall's posts on this have been well thought out, balanced, reasonable and well-argued.    You may not (and I may not) agree with them but they are very, very far from excuse making.

        •  Why would you be dismayed about Sullivan? (0+ / 0-)

          He's an establishment guy. That's how he made his mark.

          Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

          by k9disc on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 09:24:37 AM PDT

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          •  He was a major Bushite (4+ / 0-)
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            and a raving Islam hater, torture apologist. I used to see him every once in a while on Bill Mahar"s show and he was appalling. I forget why he turned against the Bushies but he's a real asshole neocon. There's a lot of these RW conservative assholes who are now the new Democrat's. Strange days, indeed


            Heres a petition that as of now has 183,431 signers. I signed it. It's a good coalition of groups and people. Mozilla is one. I found it via a great post by John Cusack at Huffpo

            Stop Watching Us

            The coalition—including Mozilla, Reddit, Greenpeace, BoingBoing, and the American Civil Liberties Union—has also launched a petition at StopWatching.Us. The group is calling for reforms to both the Patriot Act and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) that “make clear that blanket surveillance of the Internet activity and phone records of any person residing in the U.S. is prohibited by law.”

            On a press conference call Tuesday afternoon, Rainey Reitman, the activism director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, called the past week’s revelations about NSA surveillance an opportunity to strike back against government spying and ask, “What kind of domestic spying are we willing to tolerate?”

            Here's a link to Cusack's post...

            The Snowden Principle

      •  They're all owned by corporations (5+ / 0-)

        and they'll take down a politician if their owners tell them to.

        The multi-nationals, banks, etc. are the ones running the show. Everyone else works for them - news media, WH, Congress, courts, etc.

        That's a situation that conveys either fear or a certain level of security and protection.   As long as you don't rock the boat, you're free to ignore the Constitution and the demands of your constituents, etc.  Because the media has been hired to protect you.

        "If you can't take their money, eat their food, drink their booze and then vote against them, you have no business being in DC."

        by Betty Pinson on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 08:41:23 AM PDT

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    •  They already know (2+ / 0-)
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      glitterscale, KenBee

      that's why they've been so timid.  Not a courageous congress critter in the bunch.

    •  They'll get an education in 2014... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...if not during the primaries, but the general as incumbents supporting or complicit of these policies are mowed down at a record rate.

      Adequate health care should be a LEGAL RIGHT in the U.S without begging or bankruptcy. Until it is, we should not dare call our society civilized.

      by Love Me Slender on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 07:07:36 AM PDT

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    •  they already are (3+ / 0-)
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      and they know who the boss is.

      Most of them believe that if they do what they're told when the boss tells 'em they'll be allowed to do some good things (that the boss doesn't much care about) too.

      Custodians of the Congressional Crumb Locker, they become . . . resigned as they are to that being the best they can hope for . . .

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 07:11:19 AM PDT

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    •  Insider trading (7+ / 0-)

      Was the NSA surveying banking industry during the crash of 2008? How much money could one NSA employee make with early knowledge that the central bank intended to allow Lehman Brothers (or Spain, or Italy, or Cyprus) to go bankrupt? How many people could he corrupt with that money? What court would prosecute this man if he did?

      If we abandon our allies and their issues, who will defend us and ours?

      by Bryce in Seattle on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 07:43:08 AM PDT

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