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  •  Google attorney said on PBS News Hour (0+ / 0-)

    That Google has protections and the government cannot access metadata from Google. The NSA has to get a warrant and ask Google for data. Their lawyer said all this hype in the new is incorrect, they often push back and do not always give NSA info. they request.

    •  Well, of course that's what he said (0+ / 0-)

      That's what he's supposed to say, working for Google, and perhaps under orders from the NSA. Of course neither is this proof that Google DOES provide direct access, so to me this is essentially a worthless denial by Google.

      We need to know what's actually going on, not what the stakeholders say is going on. Stakeholders are rarely entirely credible since they have interests to protect or advance or are otherwise constrained.

      I mean, didn't Ken Lay go the the grave denying he did anything wrong?

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 03:45:44 PM PDT

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    •  but the figures I've seen compiled from NSA (0+ / 0-)

      annual reports show that only 11 FISA requests have been denied by the FISA court in the past ten years.

      Eleven.

      That means that 99.97% of all FISA requests are granted.  

      Which either means Google is full of it when they claim not to give NSA what it wants, OR that most of NSA's requests to Google (and presumably to everyone else) are NOT in the form of FISA requests (which require a court order or warrant), but are in the form of "National Security Letters", which do not require ANY warrant or court order.

      •  Clearly, all 11 of those (0+ / 0-)

        were for Google! Conundrum resolved.

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 08:40:27 AM PDT

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