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  •  From the moment of the attack on Afghanistan (3+ / 0-)
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    jamess, atana, YucatanMan

    ...there wan never any other outcome for the American people but complete lockdown.

    As I've long said.

    Denial is a drug.

    by Pluto on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 01:24:46 PM PDT

    •  which is what happens (2+ / 0-)
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      Pluto, YucatanMan

      when "a people" in general, disengage.

      thanks Pluto.

      •  But we did engage, wholeheartedly and (5+ / 0-)
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        divineorder, jamess, Pluto, deep info, JVolvo

        massively, in 2008.  The people turned out and volunteered, donated, called, and registered.  We turned out especially for "Change."  

        We now know we got "Same" regarding most Bush admin programs.

        I don't mean any criticism of you, Jamess, but those in the other media who claim responsibility for this lies upon the American people are forgetting a big election when the American people specifically were sold and voted for "Change."

        Now, a sad comment from another angle.  I just saw bits and pieces of the Miss USA pageant (I know, I know).  It was drivel.  All the glowing beauties endorsed security state tactics.

        One was all for DNA collection from everyone arrested. After all, they are being prosecuted so what's wrong with that.

        One was all for the government monitoring all our calls. After all, she didn't feel like we should worry about terrorists when going to movies and the shopping mall (I kid you not, so having the government protect us by monitoring our communications is great!

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 08:28:37 PM PDT

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    •  it started before that (2+ / 0-)
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      jamess, deep info

      There was already COINTELPRO-style infiltration and surveillance on anti-war and environmental groups during the 80's under Reagan.  I know that because I was a target of it.

      And the anti-terrorism bills introduced by Clinton in 1995 and 1996 both had provisions for interception of communications both electronic and non-electronic.

      I would argue that it was the Reagan Administration's efforts to "control" protest groups that re-started the whole process (after the Church Committee presumably ended it in 1975).

      Everything since then has just been a continuation and expansion, driven mostly by the availability of new technology.

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