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  •  I don't like the tone of this speculation. (3+ / 0-)
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    The future will be whatever we make of it or don't make of it, and saying the future is guaranteed to be a horror is just a lazy slur on the morality and intelligence of the rest of humanity.  Just extrapolating trends has never been a useful means of predicting global events, because there are always countervailing forces at work that respond.  

    Nothing makes a Republican angrier than a smile on a poor child's face.

    by Troubadour on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 06:11:01 AM PDT

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    •  The sufficiently devastating horror may yet be (2+ / 0-)
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      prevented, true.  I'm not saying it's guaranteed; just that if it does happen, it will shake us profoundly, & change us.  An example might be European attitudes toward religious dogmaticism & military interventionism after Crusades & World Wars.

      Prepare for the worst; hope & work for the best.

      It's time to start letting sleeping dinosaurs lie, lest we join them in extinction by our consumption of them.

      by Leftcandid on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 06:24:51 AM PDT

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      •  The European issue is instructive (4+ / 0-)

        Look at the average European's attitude towards elites. They despise the upper classes because they come from a society in which the upper classes were, for generations, a guaranteed monopoly on wealth and power through the mechanisms of the nobility and the church.

        They despise nobility because they understand how anti-social and potentially evil it can be.

        They ignore the church because they know the excesses of a state-run church (or a church-run state).

        In America we live under the lie of Horatio Alger and "Anyone can grow up to be President."

        And yet we are considering electing yet another Bush to the White House. In the cases where an "anyone" rises to the top (e.g. Obama) they are rapidly and permanently co-opted and turned into functionaries of the corporate state.

        We never had a hereditary nobility or state religion, so what are we in the process of creating? An hereditary corporate nobility and a state church.

        It may take 200 years, but, if America is still around, we may come to understand the idiocy of those propositions.

        For now, all I can see is wicker around us all and all I can smell is the brimstone getting closer.

        •  "Anyone can grow up to be President." (1+ / 0-)
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          That one's a lot of less of a lie than in the past.

          And yet we are considering electing yet another Bush to the White House.
          What's this "we" shit?  And the fact is we would have gladly had three Kennedy presidencies if we could have.
          In the cases where an "anyone" rises to the top (e.g. Obama) they are rapidly and permanently co-opted and turned into functionaries of the corporate state.
          Utter bullshit.  You're spouting Naderite articles of faith all over the place that fly in the face of both reason and experience.
          For now, all I can see is wicker around us all and all I can smell is the brimstone getting closer.
          But you sure do have a lot to say on a website devoted to electing more and better Democrats for someone who thinks this is all a futile joke.

          Nothing makes a Republican angrier than a smile on a poor child's face.

          by Troubadour on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 09:57:47 AM PDT

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