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  •  Of course they can't be verified- (0+ / 0-)

    who's gonna verify them, the US?
    And I never said beans about military operations, just that he gave them info on hacking operations. Which he did:

    "Snowden said he was releasing the information to demonstrate “the hypocrisy of the US government when it claims that it does not target civilian infrastructure, unlike its adversaries”.

    •  Uh-huh (2+ / 0-)
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      Claiming that Snowden "gave them intel" insinuates it's military in nature.

      Giving Secrets To The Big Bad Commies!

      Word games! I can play them too!  

      Meanwhile, as you went on to aptly demonstrate, he was talking all about civilians.

      You know, like what a lot of Verizon customers are...

      “the hypocrisy of the US government when it claims that it does not target civilian infrastructure, unlike its adversaries”.

      Ooops! Hey, thanks for the quote! That was pretty helpful, considering he's absolutely right...

      "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

      by lunachickie on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 08:50:43 AM PDT

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      •  Everybody hacks everybody (0+ / 0-)

        and everybody (including the Chinese) denies that they're hacking.
        If you want to believe the Chinese don't hack civilians or civilian institutions, we'll have to disagree.
        The possibility of a cyber attack on the civilian infrastructure that runs the country is real, and everybody wants an edge. I hope it never happens but if it ever does, I prefer that we have the edge.

        •  Militarily, yes (0+ / 0-)

          And nobody said this, so I don't know what you're on about here:

          If you want to believe the Chinese don't hack civilians or civilian institutions, we'll have to disagree.
          Other than "It might look good in print to some uninformed soul that just happens to sit here and read all these comments". But in case they were wondering, it's just another pile of word salad...
          The possibility of a cyber attack on the civilian infrastructure that runs the country is real, and everybody wants an edge.
          LOL! If only that's what we were talking about. But hey, you just keep slinging the patented fearmongering  bullshit. If you're lucky, maybe some of it will actually stick...

          "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

          by lunachickie on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 12:32:07 PM PDT

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          •  I gotta leave for an appointment, but (0+ / 0-)

            I'll rephrase as a question:
            Do you believe the Chinese hack civilians or civilian institutions?

            I don't think recognizing the existence and possible dangers  of cyber hacking is fearmongering bullshit.

            Personally I think both China and the US might agree that an attack on infrastructure is more likely to come from a loose cannon cowboy civilian hacker- or possibly a corporation with something to gain- than from either government.
            It makes sense to me that they would monitor likely hackers.
            YMMV.

            •  It doesn't matter what I beelieve the Chinese do (0+ / 0-)

              because the Chinese aren't the subject here, except to the extent that those of you determined  to smear this guy for outing something your government shouldn't have been doing want it to be.

              And now, so very badly do you want this man to be smeared, now he's a hacker, too?  

              It makes sense to me that they would monitor likely hackers.

              The Commies are coming! Hide all the women and children!
              Yes, m'dear, it is fearmongering bullshit, no matter how much you protest otherwise.  
               

              "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

              by lunachickie on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 01:07:26 PM PDT

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              •  Oh ffs. No, he's not a hacker. (0+ / 0-)

                There are hackers all over the world, but he's not one and I didn't say he was. He appears to have had authority to access  information.

                The Chinese became the subject here, in this thread, when someone said Snowden had nothing to offer them and they wouldn't be interested anyway. Which is not the case.

                And if you'll notice, I made it pretty clear that both China and the US have valid reasons to monitor potential hackers among the civilian and corporate population. But I'm not Switzerland. I'm not neutral. I want us to have the edge on this. Sue me.

                We have different opinions about the China part of this, but not so different about the overall issue. You believe that objecting to Snowden giving China info is smearing him. He did it. I don't like that he did it but that's not a smear, it's an opinion. And we'll never agree about that so this has become utterly pointless. We can both find better ways to spend our time.

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