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  •  I think NSA would argue the same thing (0+ / 0-)

    They're gathering the data solely to protect the entire population.  Why do many of us think this data is being collected for other reasons?  I'm trying to understand if our negative reaction is because we don't trust this part of the government or if the policy really is different than the way the government has handled these other issues (healthcare, taxes, census records).  

    Why is it not likely these programs were also put in place to protect the population from harm?  What is the evidence that the "why" is different here?

    I just haven't heard it, yet.

    West. No further west. All sea. --Robert Grenier

    by Nicolas Fouquet on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 10:43:22 AM PDT

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    •  You haven't been paying attention, then.... (1+ / 0-)
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      Why do many of us think this data is being collected for other reasons?
      What people think about this is "the data" and "the power to collect it" being abused. A government of the US track record--assuming you honestly own up to that record--naturally does not inspire trust.

      I can't believe there still exist bloggers that need this spelled out for them as if they were uneducated children.  

         

      "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

      by lunachickie on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 12:42:41 PM PDT

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    •  Doesn't matter... (0+ / 0-)

      last I checked, there is not national security clause to go around the Bill or Rights...

      "[I]n the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone...They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand."

      by cardboardurinal on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 12:52:39 PM PDT

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      •  *of n/t (0+ / 0-)

        "[I]n the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone...They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand."

        by cardboardurinal on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 12:52:57 PM PDT

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      •  What are you trying to say here? (0+ / 0-)
        there is not national security clause to go around the Bill of Rights...
        Please elaborate. Thanks!

        "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

        by lunachickie on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 01:29:28 PM PDT

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      •  This statement doesn't fly with me (0+ / 0-)

        How to we know our right to privacy was breached in anyway differently than anything else the government does?  Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's being done, not on any broad level (and where/if it has happened, prosecution is in order).

        Who's rights have been violated?  I haven't seen any evidence.

        My disagreement is only with the assumption of wrong doing.  The program itself can be debated, but not from a false starting point.  

        West. No further west. All sea. --Robert Grenier

        by Nicolas Fouquet on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 03:09:58 PM PDT

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        •  Of course you haven't... (0+ / 0-)

          seen any evidence, the Bush and Obama administrations both claim "national security" and the courts timidly back off.  

          "[I]n the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone...They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand."

          by cardboardurinal on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 04:19:09 PM PDT

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    •  No one is listening in on census data (0+ / 0-)

      The NSA is the ultimate snitch, spreading what if finds out to corporations and other government agencies.  Not anonymous aggregate data, but data on and about individuals.  With.  No.  Controls.  That's the difference.

      It's "The average income in the US was $_ in 2010" versus "Joe blow is having an extramarital affair."

      Even Democrats can be asses. Look at Rahm Emanuel.

      by Helpless on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 04:07:38 PM PDT

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