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  •  Who argued that we should roll over? (0+ / 0-)

    The reality is that as nearly all communications are now digital, and those digital signals must flow through an infrastructure, it is now possible to gather copious amounts of this data.  Governments and law enforcement agencies will always seek to have as much access to this information as possible.  The debate is now about how we want that to happen.  The current "process" is far to ripe for abuse and overreach, so we the people must figure out what that balance between security and privacy shall be in a new era of communication technology.  That's not "rolling over", that's participating in our system of government.

    It IS a fantasy to imagine that the infrastructure that allows for gathering data will be dismantled.  It won't be.  What we, as responsible citizens, need to do now is assert the limits, oversight, and procedures for how law enforcement and intelligence agencies and use it.

    "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi

    by Triscula on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 09:22:04 AM PDT

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    •  Do you realize that without whistleblowers like (1+ / 0-)
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      Snowden and Drake et al, responsible citizens have no way of knowing what the 'limits' are that you say we should be asserting?  

      We're having a discussion about it because of Snowden.  Without his expose', we would be arguing hypotheticals only.

      "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

      by nailbender on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 09:45:14 AM PDT

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      •  I don't disagree with that (0+ / 0-)

        As I've said in another comment, if for no other reason than his actions bringing the issue into the public debate, I am grateful.  I'm not sure that his actions rise to the level of "whistleblower", in that we don't yet know if there are violations of the law, per se, but his revelations have enlightened the public (it appears) as to the system that is in place for data collection and analysis.

        That being said, if he has violated the law then there are consequences for that.  Honestly, those who want to hang the mantle of "Hero" on the guy must understand this too.  There's no heroism here unless the risk of serious consequences exists too.  It's not heroic to do something without risk.  

        Furthermore, I question the intention of some of his actions, such as going to China and revealing intelligence information to the Chinese.  I don't see how that is in any way heroic, especially when it's beginning to look as though that was his "get out of jail" card.  Heroes face the consequences, they don't sell out their nation's classified intelligence to foreign countries to save their asses.  I don't know of Snowden is a hero or a criminal.  Maybe he's a little of both (how much of each is still an open question), but he has definitely done some things that have made me suspicious of his motives.

        "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi

        by Triscula on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 11:01:57 AM PDT

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