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  •  seriously (8+ / 0-)

    I'm done

    whether or not its original intent was benign.
    I don't think even you believe what you are saying.

    You wonder if the original intent of a bright red, buck toothed indian was benign?

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 06:07:46 PM PDT

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    •  Tell me how (2+ / 0-)
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      the Fighting Irish logo is any less stereotypical.

      Both logos are very old during a time when such caricatures were not considered so taboo, hence the Fighting Irish logo.

      Certainly if the Indians' logo was made today it would be a WTF moment, and I did agree with you it should be changed.  

      Please proceed, Governor.

      by USArmyParatrooper on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 06:16:46 PM PDT

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      •  The Negative association of "The Fighting Irish" (8+ / 0-)

        Isn't how Notre Dame sees it, at all.   To many, the phrase "Fighting Irish" seems to invoke some bad image.

        IF the story is to be believed, the method by which "The Fighting Irish" came about is that for years under Knute Rockne, they were known as the Terriers.   (this is a fact) and they were one of the few travelling teams; at one half time, trailing, Rockne lit into his team and told them their Irish Terrier had more fight in them then the team, and they went out the second half and won the match, and "Fighting Irish" became their moniker.

        However, most don't view it as a racial stereotype, because many of those within the school and faith also take "fighting Irish" to signify the struggles of the Irish Catholic people during British oppressionary periods, and view their fight and determination as a significant part of their culture.

        Some leap to the conclusion that it mocks some sort of drinking, boozy irishman who likes to fight, but none of the Notre Dame faithful see it that way.

        In the end, a big part of it is about how the culture sees it.   While "Fighting Irish" can conjure up a lot of different images and discussion, something like "Redskin" doesn't come up with anything but a classification of a people by a slur.   There are no tales of "when a culture came together and survived the Potato famine"   .. most importantly, Notre Dame is run and governed by many who are Irish of decent, whereas I don't believe anyone associated with the Redskins has anything to do with the Native American community.

        Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

        by Chris Reeves on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 06:29:26 PM PDT

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        •  Redskins... Cleveland Indians logo... (2+ / 0-)
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          I can certainly see how those two things can be viewed with offense.

          What is your opinion of a sports team who takes on a Native American name, say, "The San Jose Apaches" and doesn't use offensive imagery?

          Please proceed, Governor.

          by USArmyParatrooper on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 06:33:28 PM PDT

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          •  No (9+ / 0-)

            No offense is given with many of these; like the Chicago Blackhawks, the Atlanta Braves, etc.

            In fact, many of those teams have used their positions and names to help benefit the native american community, and the names are in themselves not a derogatory term.

            By using specific tribal names as well as a participation with many of those in those tribes, most of those teams are doing something that helps keep history alive by donating money and effort into history efforts to keep things up.

            http://blackhawks.nhl.com/...

            Chicago Blackhawks Charities is proud to create a long-term partnership with the American Indian Center and has pledged through its community fund to assist the native population in Chicago and throughout Illinois.

            This page expresses a genuine partnership and is a tool to help educate the larger community and fan base by sharing Native American culture, along with the activities and programs held in conjunction with the AIC. If you would like to learn more, engage or support the American Indian Center of Chicago, the oldest urban Indian Center in the country, please visit aic-chicago.org.

            Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

            by Chris Reeves on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 06:37:43 PM PDT

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          •  Unless the team is owned and run by Natives, NO (2+ / 0-)
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            A thousand times no.

      •  difference = power (0+ / 0-)

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