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  •  why are the libertarians so in love with their (4+ / 0-)

    silly revolution porn fantasies?

    They can't even get elected dogcatcher, and they think people are gonna follow them in the glorious revolution?

    Too funny.

    Rushing into the streets (with or without guns) is the FINAL step in a successful revolution, not the first.  The FIRST steps are to organize, organize more, and organize yet again, until you have built up an alternative power structure outside the current system that is strong enough to both contest power with the establishment and run society after the establishment falls.  All of that, of course, is the very same unglamorous boring drudge work that the "rush into the streets !!!!" crowd doesn't want to get their hands dirty with.

    "Revolutionaries" in the US, alas, can't organize their way out of a wet paper bag. All they do is sit around and debate ideology to death.  That's why everyone ignores them.

    They'd be more useful if they got off their ass and started organizing. Or else sat down and shut the fuck up.

    •  Stop being a dick. (0+ / 0-)

      Or maybe you can't help yourself.  

      They'd be more useful if they got off their ass and started organizing. Or else sat down and shut the fuck up.
      Here's how truly stupid you are:  You have no idea what most here do in their private lives.  For all you fucking know, we could be organizers.  
      All they do is sit around and debate ideology to death.
      You carry your stupidity to new levels when you state your drivel  regarding "debate ideology" on a political blog dedicated to debating ideology and ideas.  

      Seriously, take your own advice:  Shut the fuck up.

      Or better yet, keep talking.  These are hard times.  We need the comic relief.  

      •  too funny (0+ / 0-)

        Many words.  Nothing else.

        •  Actually, she has one good point (0+ / 0-)

          you assume that people on here aren't organizing their fingers to the bone. You have no clue on that, one way or another.

          I can tell you that there have been many times I've been accused of not doing enough for the Democratic party, for instance. People read my criticisms of the party and its leaders and assume I just sit in front of a screen and never do a lick of work. In fact, I busted my ass, mostly for no pay, from 2000-2010, but people assumed the opposite because of my views.

          With very few exceptions, we don't know what other Kossacks are doing on the ground. It's one of the palpable lacks of this site, which is clearly designed more for conversation than for organizing actions.

          Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 03:08:59 PM PDT

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      •  see, the funniest part is that I think it will not (2+ / 0-)
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        only take a revolution (a GLOBAL revolution) to beat the 1%, but it will ultimately take guns.

        But I also realize that revolution doesn't come from people rushing into the streets.  It comes from long boring drudge-ass organizing work---the kind that the young whippersnappers don't want to do.  They want their revolution like they want their pizzas--quick, cheap, and made on demand.

        That's why nobody listens to them.  (shrug)

        •  Well why didn't you say that in the first place (0+ / 0-)

          I actually agree with you.  

          However, I do think people can multitask by blogging and planning the revolution.  

          •  I've been saying it here for 7 years now (2+ / 0-)
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            BroadwayBaby1, marsanges

            I certainly don't make any secret of it.

            Alas, in my 30-odd years in the movement, I have come to the conclusion that whenever I hear anyone talking constantly about picking up guns and running into the streets, it's always one of three things:

            1. some young kid who doesn't know how to do political organizing

            2. some testosterone-poisoned kid who just wants to show everyone his dick is bigger than everyone else's


            3. a cop

            Serious revolutionaries are organizers.  Unserious ones, aren't.

    •  And helpfully, the NSA is there to track us (2+ / 0-)
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      infiltrate us, and undermine our organizing at every step.

      Having done some of that sort of organizing--not enough, because I wasted a lot of my time working on elections--I actually agree with some of what you say, but if what you want is effective organizing here, comments like this do nothing to achieve that end.  Quite the opposite.

      And I fail to see why "not being able to get elected dogcatcher" has anything to do with not being able to organize an effective revolution.  The first has to do with having a lot of money and media connections.  The second--well, I guess if you had a lot of money and media connections it might make it easier to stage a revolution, but most revolutionaries don't have that kind of access to wealth and established power. Which is why they're revolutionaries.  Just seems like a non sequitor.

      Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 03:05:28 PM PDT

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