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  •  Yes, there are responsibilities. (1+ / 0-)
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    But simply having a firearm at home doesn't 'sacrifice her babies security' anymore than having electricity in her home sacrifices her babies security.

    Bare hands are used in twice the number of murders that all rifles combined are.
    Your fears are irrational.

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    by FrankRose on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 12:54:50 PM PDT

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    •  Um, beg to differ (3+ / 0-)
      But simply having a firearm at home doesn't 'sacrifice her babies security' anymore than having electricity in her home sacrifices her babies security.
      Having electricity in the home increases everyone's risk of electrocution/electrical fire. That's why electrician who install/repair wiring are licensed.

      If we were rational about guns, we could require all sales to pass through a licensed seller, e.g. an FFL.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 01:28:06 PM PDT

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      •  Hence the phrase 'anymore than' (2+ / 0-)
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        You just made the hysterical statement that she was sacrificing her babies security simply by having a rifle in the house.

        Now you are saying that so long as she bought it from an FFL dealer (which she likely did) that she isn't?

        Fires, electrocution, gunshots.....
        You really don't have to be so frightened.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 01:49:41 PM PDT

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        •  Yes Frank you are hysterical (3+ / 0-)

          Are you asserting that background checks on all gun transfers wouldn't reduce gun trafficking, and thereby make it at least a little harder for an angry ex-spouse to hunt down his ex-wife and children, or make it a little more difficult (technically) for armed bands of thugs to attack women at home alone with their babies?

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 02:30:51 PM PDT

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          •  I must be seeing as how I don't recall saying (1+ / 0-)
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            anything for or against background checks.

            First you claimed that she was sacrificing her babies security by simply having a rifle in the house.

            Then you seemed to think it was OK, just so long as she bought it from an FFL dealer.

            Now you claim that I asserted that I am against background checks.

            I have no idea what the hell you are talking about at this point.

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 02:52:11 PM PDT

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            •  I'm not convinced you knew what you (3+ / 0-)
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              were talking about to begin with, so I probably can't help you. Perhaps you could spare your remaining neurons and just skip my comments in the future.

              The A B C approach. I'm sorry, I thought A was obvious.

              The problem: Marauding bands of violent criminals who will risk shooting each other and going to prison in order to invade her home when she is there alone with her babies.

              Point A: It's unlikely that the marauding band of thugs purchased their firearms legally as traceability would be a real benefit to LEOs, so my assumption was those guns would have been purchased without a background check.

              If so, then universal background checks will make tracking and prosecuting gun trafficking and stray buyers easier for LEOs.

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 03:42:42 PM PDT

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              •  Lilith, I think we may want to take the RKBA (4+ / 0-)

                approach of "Do Not Respond" to this user.

                It's not a bad idea to combat obvious, repeated and sustained trolls like Frank.

                If we all agree to let him make his comments and no one responds, he'll have nothing left to do here.

                It's going to be hard, especially for me who enjoys ribbing him from time to time, but it's something to consider.

                I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

                by coquiero on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 03:46:36 PM PDT

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              •  "Marauding bands" Who said this? Do you have (1+ / 0-)
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                a link?
                Quite frankly, what the hell are you babbling about?

                You claimed that a woman was sacrificing the security of her children simply by having a rifle in the house, then you seemed to claim that having a rifle was OK so long as it was bought through an FFL dealer then we took a fast train to WTFtown when you claimed that I asserted I was against background checks, and now......there are marauding bands.
                All in a diary that claims gun owners are putzes because defibrillator.

                How deep is this rabbit hole?

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 05:15:34 PM PDT

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