Skip to main content

View Diary: Question for Gun Owners: Do you Have a Portable Defibrillator in Your House? (206 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  Good examples of over-regulation (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    coquiero, oldpotsmuggler, a2nite
    I think we are over regulated to a certain degree when it comes to toys, do you know that Kinder eggs are illegal here in the U.S.? That's because they come with a small toy inside that needs to be assembled and it therefore presents a choking hazard, such rubbish. I managed to eat boxes of Craker Jacks in my youth and not once did I choke on the toy that I needed to assemble.
    I too was trained to handle and use a gun safely at a young age and grew up in a house with guns, that were never locked up.

    The problem with the risk as framed by you, is that the majority of the public has no say in how much risk they are exposed to. Children have no say. And members of some households have no say.

    We disagree at the frame - that the only shootings we should address are those committed by criminals. In my view the toll of gun violence is born by those who survive, so to me reducing the toll is a public health matter that should be partly public education and voluntary reduction of risk, and partly about regulation and services to reduce known harms in addition to reducing crime. So I don't separate suicides, unintentional shootings, or lead poisoning out as unimportant.

    We have incredibly strict regs about lead dust when renovating old houses and buildings but no regs about lead exposure at gun ranges, and no public education campaigns about reducing exposure of one's family to lead dust. I'll guess that most gun owners don't change their clothing at the range or take any other protective measures to avoid exposing their children and others to lead dust. In my opinion exposure to harmful effects of gun owners' careless use is like exposure to second hand smoke was decades ago; it's considered no big deal.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 05:02:24 PM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    •  Regarding risk. (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      PavePusher, FrankRose, KVoimakas

      I would direct you to a diary I wrote a while ago RKBA: Life and risk and guns and violence.

      A snippet,

      Now just because you can’t get rid of all hazards or the subsequent risk you are exposed to, does that mean you do nothing? No it doesn't, because it is possible to control the hazards and reduce your exposure to risk thereby leaving any residual risk as tolerable. This is done by developing and implementing systems of both preventative and mitigation controls. Some examples of preventative controls are; driver education, hunter safety, traffic signals, procedures on how to use a tool or do a job, built in safety features like a dead mans switch, recommended dosages on pharmaceuticals, warning signs and labels, having a firewall on your computer and guards on rotating machine parts. All of these controls are intended to prevent incidents from occurring. Mitigation controls are things like knowing CPR, wearing a motorcycle helmet and road leathers, wearing a seatbelt, emergency response plans, life preservers, airbags, security systems, smoke alarms and dialing 911 for the police, ambulance or fire departments. None of these control measures prevent incidents from occurring rather they take effect after and incident has occurred and they help minimize the severity of the consequences of the incident and enable you to recover.
      I really like the bit on ALARP or As Low As Reasonably Practicable. If you are interested in taking the time go have a read. As for me, I just don't believe that the risk that firearm ownership poses to society is very significant.

      You eat a lot of acid, Miller, back in the hippie days?

      by oldpunk on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 05:31:42 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Thanks, I'll take a look (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        coquiero, oldpotsmuggler

        That the risk is insignificant, or small and therefore not worth mitigating - we used to think that about second hand smoke. And decades ago we used to think that about seat belts, and before that we didn't appreciate the risk/danger of drinking and driving.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 05:46:29 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

  • Recommended (134)
  • Community (62)
  • 2016 (52)
  • Environment (41)
  • Elections (38)
  • Media (36)
  • Republicans (36)
  • Hillary Clinton (32)
  • Barack Obama (30)
  • Jeb Bush (30)
  • Iraq (29)
  • Law (29)
  • Culture (28)
  • Climate Change (27)
  • Civil Rights (26)
  • Trans-Pacific Partnership (26)
  • Labor (21)
  • Economy (21)
  • LGBT (17)
  • Science (17)
  • Click here for the mobile view of the site