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  •  The only thing we know from the recant is (7+ / 0-)

    that both of her stories can't be true. She may have told the truth about the rape, and is lying now for some reason. Or she may have lied then, and is telling the truth now.

    Given how often and how easy it is, in general, for male athletes to beat an accusation of rape I'd have to look hard at the evidence and the prosecution and the defense, to decide which story makes more sense.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 10:19:57 AM PDT

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    •  This is very true. (4+ / 0-)

      I will freely admit: I have a bias toward believing accusations of rape, precisely because true accusations are so frequently prejudged to be false.

      I am having trouble thinking of a reason why someone who had successfully prosecuted an actual rapist would recant.  That doesn't mean it isn't possible.

      •  There is a tremendous amount of victim blaming (4+ / 0-)

        and slut shaming, and that no doubt doesn't end even when  the trial finds the accused guilty. In the Steubenville case, we saw an example of how the vitriol expressed toward the accuser can even escalate after a conviction.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 10:42:42 AM PDT

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      •  While I can't find a reason why she recanted (0+ / 0-)

        she did admit it to accused right after he was let out on parole.

        She said, on camera, the only reason she didn't do it sooner is because she didn't want to have to repay the $$$.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

        •  Just to clarify: (2+ / 0-)
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          I can't think of any reason why an accuser would recant in the case of an actual rape and a successful prosecution thereof.  (Barring coercion, I suppose.)

          In the case of a false accusation that resulted in a conviction, I can think of any number of reasons why the accuser would recant; the most obvious is simple regret for having wronged the falsely accused.

          •  I thought about this puzzling case some more (1+ / 0-)
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            and offer pure speculation of how it went down, and why the judge is imposing the restitution and penalties that he imposed. The original settlement suggest to me that Daddy hired a really, really good lawyer, and/or defense attorneys were compromised in some way.

            Repeat: Pure speculation how this situation could have occurred. Not based on facts not reported by the diarist.

            Small town
            Highschool - secret relationship
            Black athlete, rich white girl.
            She gets pregnant.

            Racist parents insist that she not tell him, and arrange a secret abortion.
            Threaten to disown her unless she was raped, insist that she press charges. So she, feeling trapped, and unaccustomed to accountability, accuses him of rape.

            Her parents hire high powered law firm that has influence with the court.
            High powered law firm intimidates the defendent/defense counsel and the school into settling the case.

            She has a broken heart, and a guilty conscience.

            By the time he gets out, she imagines that he will forgive her and understand that rich daddy's threat of dispossession made her file the false accusation. She thinks that everyone can be persuaded by financial interests.

            He doesn't understand and smartly hires professional investigator to begin to clear his name.

            The judge imposes sanctions, knowing that she has a trust fund, or that the parents will be helping her to pay off the penalty.

            Assuming that she is telling the truth now, which a judge has heard the evidence and decided. I think she should be charged with perjury and prosecuted for any other crimes that apply, and she should have to serve time in jail - years. If she was lying the first time, she stole years of his life.

            Again - my speculation is merely a hypothetical scenario based on what seems plausible and I don't have any way to know what actually happened.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 08:41:41 PM PDT

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            •  Girl is black (0+ / 0-)

              really i think it was more of high school athlete accused of rape. At some point they actually did have sex, but consensual. defense lawyers decided to be lazy and tell him to plead instead of trying to prove consensual sex. In a he said she said rape case, the she said normally wins.

              She gets a ton of $$$, feels bad years later, apologizes to him but wants to keep $$$, he hired PI to get her to admit she lied on tape, his name is cleared.

              •  See what I get for writing a trite novel script (0+ / 0-)

                in my head.

                She really should be charged and convicted and spend some time in jail.

                "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                by LilithGardener on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 11:33:39 AM PDT

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    •  Brian Banks (1+ / 0-)
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      was about to go to USC on a full scholorship when this happened.

      He wasn't convicted. His lawyers told him to please guilty because IF he was convicted the punishment would be a lot worse. He spent 5 years in jail, another 5 on parole.

      •  That is very sad - again, (1+ / 0-)
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        I would have to look very hard at the evidence and his defense's arguments, to try to understand why they (and he) thought his chance of conviction was so high.

        He can't get these years back, and if she's telling the truth now, she has ruined both their lives.

        There needs to be some kind of intermediate plea, where someone can plead no contest instead of guilty.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 11:01:53 AM PDT

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        •  yea - the truth (i'm assuming) (1+ / 0-)
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          came forward after he was let out on patrole.

          She friended him on facebook and admitted to him she lied, but wanted to keep the $$$ from the settlement with the school.

          Banks hired a PI who got her to admit she lied on tape.

          •  What that tells me is that she was probably in (1+ / 0-)
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            a relationship with him, and wants to continue a friendship/relationship with him.

            I'm glad he took things a step further, to begin clearing his name.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 11:08:14 AM PDT

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