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  •  Confessions of a true believer, I see... (6+ / 0-)

    The dude conflates the support of the invasion of Afghanistan in 2002 with with the invasion of Iraq in 2003. And he's quoting from the preface of Greenwald's 2006 book "How Would a Patriot Act?"

    Many supported the former and opposed the latter. What many didn't support about Afghanistan was exactly what has happened there.

    Ignorati like tommy also forgets that Glenn wrote the following as well in his preface:

    "What first began to shake my faith in the administration was its conduct in the case of Jose Padilla, a U.S. citizen arrested in May 2002 on U.S. soil and then publicly labeled "the dirty bomber." The administration claimed it could hold him indefinitely without charging him with any crime and while denying him access to counsel. "


    "Soon after our invasion of Iraq, when it became apparent that, contrary to Bush administration claims, there were no weapons of mass destruction, I began concluding, reluctantly, that the administration had veered far off course from defending the country against the threats of Muslim extremism. It appeared that in the great national unity the September 11 attacks had engendered, the administration had seen not a historically unique opportunity to renew a sense of national identity and cohesion, but instead a potent political weapon with which to impose upon our citizens a whole series of policies and programs that had nothing to do with terrorism, but that could be rationalized through an appeal to the nation's fear of further terrorist attacks. "

    Empirical fact is lost on poor souls like tommy.

    "There's a conceptual zone within which the romanticized historical past and the immanentizing historical future converge in a swamp of misapprehension and misstep. It's called 'the present'." - David Beige

    by Superskepticalman on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 05:57:52 AM PDT

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    •  Good comment (4+ / 0-)

      I assumed Greenwald meant the Iraq war above. I didn't realize he meant Afghanistan, which many more people supported, and rightly, at least initially for its putative and stated purpose, to catch OBL & AQ. Making him even less of a liar than I thought, which was just barely.

      As I've written I did support the Iraq war at the time, reluctantly, believing that whatever remaining WMD Saddam had at the time (which I felt probably wasn't that much and certainly not nuke, but just enough to be dangerous if it fell into the wrong hands), while he was extremely unlikely to give them to AQ outright, could end up in their hands anyway if they toppled him or broke into his storage facilities and stole them, or perhaps were given them by Islamist Iraqi sympathizers, especially Sunnis, who hated Saddam. Also, he nearly killed my family in Israel with a scud that landed across their street, (which was not Americans' problem, of course, but I hated the monster).

      I was, of course, terribly wrong.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 06:09:54 AM PDT

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