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  •  Administration salaries have risen (0+ / 0-)

    skyward and pretty quickly. BUT, a recent study showed they are still sub 1% of the total university budget.

    So, they can't account for the big rise.

    The problem with the study, however, is that many people don't realize university budgets are not fungible. Only a small % is. Most of the money is dedicated already to research projects, or the endowment interest has strings attached, etc. In other words, the portion of the budget that you can cut is but a fraction of the total budget. In this sense, a sub 1% rise in administrator's salary might actually be a much bigger rise in relation to the part of the budget that is fungible.

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    by upstate NY on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 07:58:05 AM PDT

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    •  Sub 1%? (0+ / 0-)

      In what universe? Officially, curriculum and instruction at my institution is just shy of 50%. That includes professor salaries, as well as department budgets and some other odds and ends. Where's the rest of the money?

      Sub 1% for administration is not even remotely possible. That would mean where I work that all of the administrators (including about a couple dozen VPs, asst-VPs, etc.), all of the secretaries, all of their office budgets, would come to a little over one million dollars. The president alone takes in $250K base salary (which is very cheap, actually).

      So no, I do not buy it.

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      by tcorse on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 08:52:21 AM PDT

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      •  It was an extensive study and I've linked (0+ / 0-)

        to it in this very diary.

        Now that I look at the study, however, they stopped measuring at administrative salaries as a whole in the mid 1990s. That being said, the study also showed expenditures for student services increased 16% even at a time when administrative costs increased to 1%.

        http://www.dailykos.com/...

        Administrators. The need to employ more administrators to cover both expanded services and larger numbers of Federal, state, and local regulations combined with higher administrative salaries is thought to drive up administrative costs.

            This contention may be true for the first half of the 1980s, when administrative expenditures increased as a share of total educational and general (E&G) expenditures, but, between 1987 and 1994, administrative expenditures either remained the same or fell, as a percentage of total E&G expenditures. Another way of looking at rising administrative costs is that administrative expenditures per full-time-equivalent (FTE) student increased over 22 percent between 1979 and 1986, but less than 1 percent between 1986 and 1993, after adjusting for inflation. The expenditures for student services costs increased 16 percent during each of the two time periods in question.

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        by upstate NY on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 10:47:03 AM PDT

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        •  What are they defining as administrative cost? (0+ / 0-)

          The link says that administrative pay was 1% of the CA system budget. Maybe, maybe, if you are only talking about what each college president is paid. But the tiniest bit of common sense would tell you that all those VPs, all those folks in the Bursars office and Admissions and the Registrar and Human Resources and Public Relations and the Legal Council office and Media Relations and on and on and on etc -- are way more than 1%.

          And administrative cost is a lot more than just pay. All those offices have computers, phones, etc. Really, it's an odd thing to even say.

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          by tcorse on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 11:07:33 AM PDT

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          •  I'd assume they are referring to administrative (0+ / 0-)

            pay, not anything else.

            For me, the telling thing is that the drop in state support almost exactly matches the rise in tuition.

            At a time of increased regulation and accreditation, increased health care costs, wired classrooms, etc., you'd think tuition would be even higher if things had stayed the same.

            Instead, we have mass obliteration of full-time faculty lines, increased efficiencies by preventing travel reimbursements for conferences, no raises, much bigger classrooms, health care costs paid for by employees.

            Schools are cutting the core of the university out.

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            by upstate NY on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 11:33:01 AM PDT

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