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  •  thanks for the great comment (6+ / 0-)

    I understand and can follow what you say. It's a general explanation which is very true and which I see the same way.

    But I wonder just about the specifics of being such an extremist with regards to abortion, as a personal development of a specific person turning out that extreme.

    What is the personal attraction of people to turn into such nutcases?  There must be a trigger, a reward or something, don't you think?

    It's as if the fact that they can hate something, no matter what, is way more important than what or whom they hate. There are some lusty and addictive features to that kind of hate. And I wonder under what it circumstances these features develop in a person.

    Is it because they CAN hate without repercussions, the fact that they feel powerful and getting attention while behaving like that?

    Makes me sick even thinking about it.

    •  Not sure if there is a satisfactory explanation (5+ / 0-)

      The need to control and to oppress others is grounded in fear. Where that fear might come from is certainly open to question.

    •  RE" thanks for the great comment (10+ / 0-)
      Is it because they CAN hate without repercussions, the fact that they feel powerful and getting attention while behaving like that?
      @mimi - This is a great question, and IMHO, a very important one.  A year or so ago I finally got tired of all of the hate spewing out of the extreme right and started doing research to see if I could figure out what drives these people. Not only are they full of hate, but it seems that they are also full of self-righteousness . . . which seems to allow them to justify their hate. I found the answer in a book titled "The Authoritarians," by Bob Altemeyer. He is a research psychologist who studied this phenomenon for his whole career. Here is one of his comments on this particular issue:
      But high RWAs typically think they’re way, way better. They are the Holy Ones. They are the Chosen. They are the Righteous. They somehow got a three-for-one special on self-righteousness. And self-righteousness appears to release authoritarian aggression more than anything else.
      He notes these characteristics of right-wing authoritarian thinking:

      1. Illogical thinking - If they agree with the conclusion, the justification doesn't matter.
      2. Highly compartmentalized minds
      3. Double standards
      4. Hypocrisy
      5. Blindness to themselves (absence of self-awareness) - and defensive
      6. A profound ethnocentrism
      7. Dogmatism: The Authoritarian's Last Ditch Defense

      I'd say that this guy falls pretty far out on the high RWA scale.

      If you are interested in learning about what's going on with these people, and in the process get a bit scared as well as sick, read his book. He has a free PDF version of it on his web site: http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/...

      I would urge you to read it, or at least skim through it if you can. It blew me away because he describes the characteristics of so many people I know . . . I now understand a lot more about them than I did, and I'm a lot more concerned about our society . . .

      "The water won't clear up 'til we get the hogs out of the creek." -- Jim Hightower

      by lartwielder on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 10:57:29 AM PDT

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      •  thank you, I will have a look at it (1+ / 0-)
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        and thanks for taking the time to respond in detail.

        •  Re: I will have a look at it (0+ / 0-)

          Hi mimi - I'm glad you thought the post was worthwhile. It is a subject that has been bothering me for a long time, but the Republican presidential primaries became the last straw . . . I couldn't believe what I was seeing and hearing, both from the podium and from the audience. Having lived in the South most of my life, I just thought it was a southern red-neck thing, but I was way wrong . . .

          If you find anything interesting and/or of value in Altemeyer's book, and if you would be interesting to see how this has played out in our political system, there's another book you might read. It is by a pair of political scientists, Marc Hetherington and Jon Weiner and the title of it is "Authoritarianism and Polarization in American Politics." In this book, the authors show how the Republican strategy to peel relatively conservative Democrats away from the Democratic party and into the Republican party focused on authoritarian hot-buttons and has ended up polarizing our society along those lines. It makes for chilling and sobering reading and some of the implications of their findings do not bode well for our political system in the short - middle - run . . .

          "The water won't clear up 'til we get the hogs out of the creek." -- Jim Hightower

          by lartwielder on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 05:23:31 PM PDT

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      •  A lot of overlap with clinical psychopathy. (0+ / 0-)

        A true psychopath is nothing like what is presented in the movies.

        As with many other things in life, there is a spectrum.

        These people are remorseless predators.  They know what they are, and hide it well.

        YOU are their prey.


        The Fail will continue until actual torches and pitchforks are set in motion. - Pangolin@kunstler.com

        by No one gets out alive on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 01:20:21 PM PDT

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    •  What is interesting (12+ / 0-)

      is that much of the crazy here is associated with, for want of a better term, "religious nutters fervour".

      Ireland is a Catholic country. Abortion is banned.
      France is a Catholic country, abortion is available on demand.
      UK has an established church, abortion is not available on demand, but is easy to access, and free, for any woman deciding those services are needed.
      Germany, abortion is available on demand.

      All of these countries have rules, especially about "late-term" abortions which are usually after 24 or 28 weeks.

      Oh, the US?

      The United States is a secular state with abortion available, on demand, with a constitutional protection. Abortion in the US is very difficult to obtain, almost impossible in some states, and expensive even where possible.

      Go figure.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 11:35:14 AM PDT

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      •  Re: What is interesting . . . (2+ / 0-)
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        Hola twigg! You're on the money WRT religious "ferver." As a matter of fact, one of Altemeyer's points/findings is that religious fundamentalists who are not also Right-Wing Authoritarians are scarce as hen's teeth. Part of the authoritarian complex is blind obedience/adherence to "the law/Word." Authoritarians can't/won't think for themselves and challenge authority. They are blind, dogmatic, followers and anything that appears to challenge their belief/position/whatever is and existential threat to these people . . .

        "The water won't clear up 'til we get the hogs out of the creek." -- Jim Hightower

        by lartwielder on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 05:32:55 PM PDT

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    •  Tribal membership and drug addiction (0+ / 0-)

      SF author David Brin said our society's worst drug problem is the adrenaline shots people get from righteous indignation.

      On top of that they get to belong to a Movement and can substitute that for actual self-esteem.

      Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 02:47:18 PM PDT

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