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  •  FYI: Original FISA act was written by Sen.Kennedy (7+ / 0-)

    and  signed by Pres. Carter in 1970's in reaction to public outrage over domestic spying on the left in the 1950's to 1970's after the Church Committee  hearings.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    We all thought problem was solved until the Patriot Act was signed by the President GW Bush after 9/11 attacks.

    Many on the left, including myself, sounded the warning signs of the over-reach of the Patriot Act.

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    by smokey545 on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 09:07:12 AM PDT

    •  I worked for NSA (9+ / 0-)

      at the time of the Church and Pike committee hearings, was glad it happened, and thought FISA was an absolute indispensable minimum.  I also joined you in recognition of the threat that the Patriot Act embodied, and that is why my point at the time and ever since is that the name of Russ Feingold is forever inscribed on the roll of true patriots in the USA, and the only Senator or above of this era so to be honored.

      "You may very well think so, I could not possibly comment." ~ Francis Urquhart, pragmatic political philosopher

      by ActivistGuy on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 09:18:25 AM PDT

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    •  Believe this or not (1+ / 0-)
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      Many on the right were uncomfortable with the excesses of the Patriot Act.  I remember one RW radio host thinking out loud:  "how does surrendering our rights make us safer".  

      It could even have been Limbaugh.

      •  the goppers were vociferous in opposing the (3+ / 0-)
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        surveillance provisions in Bill Clinton's 1995 and 1996 terrorism bills.

        They were far less vociferous in opposing Dubya's patriot Act, though.

        I suspect that's for the very same reason that we see people cheering the NSA today-----anything is OK as long as it's our side doing it, and everything is bad bad bad as long as the other side is doing it.

        •  Sometimes (3+ / 0-)
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          Sometimes people slip up and tell the truth.  In the early days before the Patriot Act became law, some conservatives were uncomfortable with it.  

          I suspect that's for the very same reason that we see people cheering the NSA today-----anything is OK as long as it's our side doing it, and everything is bad bad bad as long as the other side is doing it.
          Isn't there a passage in the Bible about "who's ox is being gored"?
    •  well, let's include ALL the history . . . . (2+ / 0-)
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      Most of the Patriot Act was in fact written by Bill Clinton.  In 1995 and 1996, Clinton introduced his own "anti-terrorism bills", which included such things as requiring librarians to report people who checked out particular books, provided for indefinite detention of people without trial based on secret evidence gathered through warrantless wiretaps, allowed easier access to personal financial records by federal authorities, relaxed the standards for "pen register" searches (those should be familiar to those following the current NSA thingie), and repealed a provision that prevented the FBI or State Department from investigating or denying US entry to people based solely on their political beliefs.

      Some of the more extreme provisions were dropped after the Goppers in Congress squealed about "civil liberties !!!!" (the Clintonistas in Congress responded by squealing "national security !!!"). Clinton complained that the Repugs had watered down his bills.

      After 9-11, when the Goppers needed an anti-terrorism bill in a hurry, they simply dusted off all the old Clinton proposals that they themselves had killed back in 1996, rewrote them, and voila--the Patriot Act was born. This time it was a contingent of Dems who squealed "civil liberties !!!" and the goppers who squealed "national security !!!".

      Then when Obama was elected in 2008, he renewed the Patriot Act five times---and this time neither party even made any pretense of squealing any protest at it.

      When it comes to our current national-security surveillance state, both parties erected it, both parties support it, and neither party wants to repeal any of it. The neocon agenda is bipartisan.

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