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  •  My least favorite slogan/talking point... (0+ / 0-)

    from this side of the abortion debate is that men have no right to participate in the debate because the issue only affects women.

    It's a stupid argument, for one. It is also ethically bankrupt. Every adult citizen has a right to participate in this debate. To suggest that men are somehow ineligible to have their opinions registered is completely undemocratic. You are in essence suggesting them men be disenfranchised when you say they should stay out of the debate. So that's a problem.

    The "abortion is a women's issue" line is also pretty seriously divorced from political reality. Sex is not a strong predictor of one's attitudes on this issue. In fact, some polling over the past few years has shown men to be slightly more likely to be pro-choice than women. While I grant those polls are probably outliers, and men might be a little less pro-choice than women as it stands today. What becomes clear when you examine the data going back 10-20 years is that the biggest factor in influencing a voter's opinion here is religion. The devout are much likely to be pro-life. Everyone else tends to be pro-choice.

    I wish your rant recognized these facts, and focused on the actual problem. Blaming men for the pro-life movement is at best an exaggeration. The real problem is religious fundamentalists of both genders.

    You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

    by Eric Stratton on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 08:00:37 PM PDT

    •  When you can get pregnant, (4+ / 0-)

      you can weigh in.

      •  In all fairness, (4+ / 0-)

        and this may just be my perspective because I'm a man, but I'd argue there's a difference between saying you want to be part of the debate and saying you want to have a say as to whether or not individual women get to have abortions.

        For example, I don't particularly care whether or not a woman chooses to have an abortion, for any reason.  Because I feel that's her decision and not mine.  

        I feel that's a little different, since I'm not implying that I know what women should think or do about this issue.  Just because I can't get pregnant doesn't mean that I shouldn't be allowed to fight for women to have complete control over their own bodies, any more than my being white and straight means that I shouldn't be allowed to fight for LGBT or minority rights.

        Having said that, I also disagree with Eric Stratton, and agree with the sentiment that's so often expressed, that if men could get pregnant, this wouldn't even be an issue.

    •  Write your own rant. (7+ / 0-)

      This one belongs to BadKitties.
      I wish your comment recognized that.

    •  Gee, you were the cutest guy in Delta House... (9+ / 0-)

      but you do know that 77% of forced-birth group leaders are men, don't you? And as far as I can recall, every single violent anti-abortion protester/bomber/Capitol-storming wacko has been male?

      You missed my point. I am not talking about men in general. I am talking specifically about male Republican politicians interfering with personal family and medical decisions. I would expect that a woman in a committed relationship would discuss an abortion with the man involved. But if she didn't, it's not my business. Nor anyone else's.

      The GOP is acting as if everyone is a fundamentalist Christian, and should live by those standards. I object. America is not a Christian nation. Our Founding Fathers were quite specific on that point. For the GOP to be disingenuous regarding that fact is highly annoying.

      I practice my religion quietly. I do not force it on others. I do not expect others to accept mine as superior to theirs. I don't even mention it, ever, unless it is absolutely germane to a particular discussion. I wish the GOP felt the same way.

      I do see your point. But the problem is that these men and women hold elected office. And rather than respecting the will of the people, they seek to impose the beliefs of a few upon the many. And that, IMO, is WRONG.

      "...Males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes.” —Newt Gingrich in 1995

      by BadKitties on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 08:20:59 PM PDT

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    •  I am in favor of what you assert (4+ / 0-)
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      You are in essence suggesting them men be disenfranchised
      I wish your comment could acknowledge that the male "franchise" has failed to develop an ethical frame that could inspire, motivate, or compel the majority of men to care for and respect women and to fulfill responsibilities to the children that they bring into this world.

      Let's face it the "male franchise" is what has brought us to this point.

      Don't be that guy - the one who stands up for rapists who later seek parental rights.

      So yeah, I'm all for disenfranchising the current male franchise who continues to claim privilege without offering respect or value or love. And I can assure you, men who are helping already know they are are not part of the "male franchise" but view themselves as part of the "human franchise."

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 10:05:16 PM PDT

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