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  •  I think we're on the same page, RKBA does not mean (6+ / 0-)

    no regulations. I fully support the Second Amendment and an individual's right to own firearms.  That is in no way inconsistent with sensible regulations being proposed: like full criminal background checks (on every sale/transfer), limits on clips/magazines, licensing and registration (clearly registering all existing firearms is just about impossible, but we can start registering all new ones or ones that change hands).

    I feel it is important to point this out because so many NRA apologists accuse us of not supporting the Constitution and trying to say their rights are not important.  Everybody's rights are equally important, but when the (real or perceived) Second Amendment rights result in having one American shot every 5 minutes we have a pandemic that must be addressed, and nothing in the Second Amendment precludes those regulations outlined above.

    •  CNN Piers Morgan (6+ / 0-)

      I couldn't sleep the other night so I tuned in.

      I don't know how I didn't know this, cause I get my media out of St. Louis (I live in southern IL). Happened not that far from me.

      A kid went into a Wal-Mart wearing a cartoon mask and with a butcher knife wanted to "die by cop." He wrote a letter saying this. They talked him down and he went to a mental institution. His parents put him in another six times.

      If you watch the above video the love these parents have for their kid is staggering .....

      One day his mother was doing his laundry and found a receipt, from that Wal-Mart for an assault weapon.

      She called the local police and said she was afraid her child might mass murder people. Come get him.

    •  I'd add, just because I'm careful like this, (3+ / 0-)

      requirements for annual refresher training or something similar to what we do for driver's licenses, if for no other reason than to make sure gun owners are kept informed on changes to gun laws, as well as requirements for insurance, again like we have for automobiles.  If someone wants a gun, they have to be prepared to take responsibility if they have an accident or if someone uses their gun (like a kid finding the gun and firing it, whether it hits someone else or not).

      I see no way that impinges on someone's right to keep and bear arms - it just helps to get them to do it responsibly.

    •  An asterisk (1+ / 0-)
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      I fully support the Second Amendment and an individual's right to own firearms
      *And that's why he's a member of a DKos group that wants to repeal the Second Amendment. To demonstrate his full support for it, I guess.
      •  You missed something: (3+ / 0-)
        Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA)
        There are many sensible gun owners among the members of RASA.
        •  Sure, an amendment from "Repeal or Amend (0+ / 0-)

          the second Amendment" is sure to "respect the second Amendment"

          You are right to deny yours and his intentions......but it is too late; we already know.

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 09:46:07 AM PDT

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        •  They sure get riled up when anyone mixes clips (2+ / 0-)
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          coquiero, WakeUpNeo

          and magazines, but misrepresenting the position of someone (by effectively renaming the group by deleting this key word) is just fine.  Even if I wanted to repeal the Second Amendment, which I have never advocated, there is absolutely nothing wrong with me having that position - so once again it is about attacking the messenger and avoiding the issue: we need uniform sensible firearm regulations like licensing, registration and full background checks, and none of these violate any person's rights (other than criminals).

          •  "nothing wrong with me[wanting to repeal the 2ndA] (0+ / 0-)

            No one is claiming that you can't advocate any position you want (after all, I'm not a member of 'Repeal or Amend the First Amendment'.)

            However we can ascertain both your reasonableness on the subject & your honesty (or rather, lack of) when you laughably claim that you "fully support the Second Amendment", while being a member of "Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment".

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 11:24:26 PM PDT

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