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  •  Quicklund - You're right. (1+ / 0-)
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    Anybody old enough to remember the National Guard at Kent State, or the fatalities at the various racial uprisings during the last century surely realizes that the Federal, state, and local governments are perfectly willing to kill people when push comes to shove.
       The US is pretty sophisticated about crushing rebellions, having available to it preemptive arrests, blacklisting, surveillance, planting evidence (drugs) on targeted individuals, conspiracy laws, restraining orders, anti-terrorism laws...and, if people demonstrate anyway, there is an endless supply of tear gas, water cannons, and manpower from surrounding areas just itching to bust some heads.
       You can see from the Occupy movement how it works. First, an underground campaign claiming that the OWS people are being paid to demonstrate, then a media blackout on Occupy that lasted weeks - Then the covergage emphasized alleged acts like defecationg on police cars. Finally, came the nationwide coordinated effort to crush the movement.
       Mr. Pensador and people of like mind need to figure out how to avoid being destroyed by the massive power of the corporate government.
     

    •  This is the same challenge in every age in (0+ / 0-)

      history, when it comes to tyranny and oppression.  The tyrannical state always sets up a surveillance system, propaganda, and intimidation tactics.

      Activists, agitators and intellectuals speaking truth to power are always targeted, without fail, while a very large segment of the population cowers in fear.

      Always the same... Nothing new.  The cowards will continue cowering; the agitators will continue agitating, fearlessly.

      Always the same...

    •  ah, but there's the thing . . . . (0+ / 0-)

      Iraq and Afghanistan have BOTH beaten the entire massive military might of the corporate government.  They did it in the oldest and most effective way---by not countering it directly and by not fighting it on its own terms.

      Occupy, on the other hand, DID try to fight it directly and on its own terms, by staying in a fixed place and going toe-to-toe with the cops.  It was doomed from the start.

      Those are lessons for us.

      •  And here I thought OWS was a raging success (0+ / 0-)

        What was the message of OWS?

        The gap between the 1% and the 99% has grown too big.

        Before OWS, this fact was known by habitual political watchers and few others. After OWS, the entire nation uses the 1%/99% meme as part of the national jargon.

        That is an outstanding success.

        •  yes indeed, and I made the same point below (1+ / 0-)
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          In its initial goal, Occupy simply wanted to change the dialogue, and it did that far beyond what it itself ever suspected it could.

          But alas Occupy was ill-equipped and ill-organized to do more once that goal had been accomplished.  Occupy was set up as an ideological debating society, not as an action-oriented fighting organization. It had to figure out how to do all that on the fly, and it was not prepared to do so. The cops were. The outcome was inevitable.

          •  OWS achieved its goal. Of course it ended. (0+ / 0-)
            Occupy was set up as an ideological debating society, not as an action-oriented fighting organization
            That is because the people who made up OWS had many different personal motivations. When single-issue people tried to co-opt OWS to be an "action-oriented fighting organization" in support of their specific cause, of course that failed. That is not what OWS supporters signed on to do.

            In the vast majority of cities OWS simply stopped happening ... no police needed. Of course, the millions of peaceful police-to-protestor interactions which took place during this period do not get reported nor diaried.

            It is entirely natural for a group to break apart once its goal has been reached. Nothing lasts forever.

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