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  •  I just have to laugh, really. Again, keep (0+ / 0-)

    following me around...

    Here's just a teaser... I've received volunteer of the year and other community involvement awards.  I've been involved in on-the-ground union organizing campaigns in multiple cities, and remember being "escorted" out of certain locations by police, err corporate goons, during those campaigns (even after getting clearance from the company at a national level).

    But that's just a teaser.  You are making the wrong assumptions, but that's Okay, I enjoy this sort of thing.

    •  then I am sad that you never learned the effective (0+ / 0-)

      lessons, and instead keep doing things that simply don't help.

      Such as, for example, treating people who are on your side, as enemies.  Not terribly effective.

      (shrug)

      But I'm curious---when you did your union organizing, did you preach to them the need for revolution?  Or did you just fight for a raise for them?

      •  Lenny, really, I'm not joking. I'm enjoying this. (0+ / 0-)
        •  Ray, I am on your side (1+ / 0-)
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          Quicklund

          Lots of people here (including some people who I suspect would never be on the same side of a barricade as either me or you) have given you some very very very good advice. Advice that I learned myself through 30 years of organizing.

          You should listen to it.

          As I said before, you have the fire in your belly. You could make a very effective organizer.  But you simply must learn to deal with people from where THEY are, not from where YOU are.  No amount of preaching is EVER gonna move anyone from A to Z in one fell swoop.  The best you can hope for is to nudge them from A to B, then hope someone else later on nudges them from B to C and so on down the line.  That's all we can do. We can't "make" anyone think anything about anything.  People have to do that for themselves. (shrug)

          Once you learn that lesson, you yourself will be saying the exact same things I am saying to you, to others.  And it will help make the entire movement more effective.

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