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  •  ah, but there's the thing . . . . (0+ / 0-)

    Iraq and Afghanistan have BOTH beaten the entire massive military might of the corporate government.  They did it in the oldest and most effective way---by not countering it directly and by not fighting it on its own terms.

    Occupy, on the other hand, DID try to fight it directly and on its own terms, by staying in a fixed place and going toe-to-toe with the cops.  It was doomed from the start.

    Those are lessons for us.

    •  And here I thought OWS was a raging success (0+ / 0-)

      What was the message of OWS?

      The gap between the 1% and the 99% has grown too big.

      Before OWS, this fact was known by habitual political watchers and few others. After OWS, the entire nation uses the 1%/99% meme as part of the national jargon.

      That is an outstanding success.

      •  yes indeed, and I made the same point below (1+ / 0-)
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        In its initial goal, Occupy simply wanted to change the dialogue, and it did that far beyond what it itself ever suspected it could.

        But alas Occupy was ill-equipped and ill-organized to do more once that goal had been accomplished.  Occupy was set up as an ideological debating society, not as an action-oriented fighting organization. It had to figure out how to do all that on the fly, and it was not prepared to do so. The cops were. The outcome was inevitable.

        •  OWS achieved its goal. Of course it ended. (0+ / 0-)
          Occupy was set up as an ideological debating society, not as an action-oriented fighting organization
          That is because the people who made up OWS had many different personal motivations. When single-issue people tried to co-opt OWS to be an "action-oriented fighting organization" in support of their specific cause, of course that failed. That is not what OWS supporters signed on to do.

          In the vast majority of cities OWS simply stopped happening ... no police needed. Of course, the millions of peaceful police-to-protestor interactions which took place during this period do not get reported nor diaried.

          It is entirely natural for a group to break apart once its goal has been reached. Nothing lasts forever.

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