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  •  Not sure what is driving your anger. (0+ / 0-)

    This is a liberal website, and we're talking about an African-American female athlete who has had to learn to survive not only the racism aimed at her and her sister, but a controlling father who wouldn't even permit his daughters to think for themselves. She said a bad thing the other day, and you are angrilly attacking me for merely pointing out that she was influenced by her environment and is a victim in many respects as well. Your hatred for her must be based on something deeper than just this one comment of hers for you to be so put off by my mild defense of her. Beside his one admittedly bad incident, what else has this strong black woman done to offend you?

    •  It would be wonderful to resolve the question (1+ / 0-)
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      of whether there is truly free will, or if all our actions are predetermined by prior events. I think that is beyond the scope of this topic.

      Serena Williams has a temperamental and bullying side to her personality, and I have never liked her due to that. For example, a few years ago she was kicked out of a major for threatening a line judge while disputing a call.

      Her statements and her "apology" were both reprehensible and she should be called to account for them.

      •  Seems to me that is part and parcel (0+ / 0-)

        to that sport. Jimmy Connors, Arthur Ashe, McEnroe, they all screamed and yelled. And they all were suitably punished when they lost their cool. I don't see why Serena should be held to a higher standard. Professional athletes in all sports are under considerable pressure, which is probably why such behavior is so common. Serena is by no measure the worst ever. She's a Jehovah's Witness, which from where I sit is the worst thing about her.

        •  Not a higher standard. (1+ / 0-)
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          I watched many McEnroe matches when I was younger, and while his behavior was extremely obnoxious and embarrasing, I don't remember him (or Connors or Ashe) ever threatening anyone with violence.  Her behavior is why I don't care for her, but it is actually irrelevant to the point of the post.

          My main point is that Serena, like anyone else who made such statements about rape, should be held responsible for what she said.  We certainly would not be excusing most people for such statements, and I don't think she is exempt from criticism because she had a difficult childhood, or because she is an African American woman.  Additionally, excusing her because she is an athlete is an insult to her, and to athletes in general.  Not all athletes are know-nothings.

          •  I'm not excusing her, athlete or no. (0+ / 0-)

            I'm not excoriating her either. There are reasons that people are taught to believe certain things. In her case, her childhood is something that none of us would want, and given the emotional abuse she (and her sister) endured, it's amazing they're as normal as they are. People here need to put things in the proper context. That doesn't mean excuse it, but it also doesn't mean that she is a terrible person because she said one insensitive thing.

          •  You actually watched McEnroe in person, (0+ / 0-)

            or on TV? What a treat if you saw him in person. Apart from his antics, he was one hell of a scrappy tennis player.

            •  I never saw him in person. (1+ / 0-)
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              McEnroe was in his prime when I was in my 20s.  His antics were atrocious, but he was a very exciting player to watch.  He was certainly one of the greatest vollyers who has ever played the game, and his doubles were as fun to watch as his singles.

              He still plays the seniors and is in great shape, so it is still possible to catch him live.  I saw him on tv not too long ago, and he still has tantrums, also.

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