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  •  Here is an example (5+ / 0-)

    This used to be a monstrous coal-fired power plant, at one time one of the largest in the world. It is right in the middle of New York City. It has been retrofitted to run on natural gas and/or liquid fuels; its main fuel today as natural gas.

    Those of us here in New York City are quite grateful for the change; coal is literally a killer fuel. Of course, that means higher use of natural gas and liquid petroleum and that means fracking and tar sands extraction. But I remain completely unconvinced that either is worse than coal.

    •  there's not much worse than coal, (4+ / 0-)

      although tar sand gives it a run.  "Fracked" natural gas produces a different set of problems, which is fine from the New York perspective, because those problems occur "somewhere else".  But I'd guess that particular "conversion" was done back when most "natural gas" was a byproduct of oil extraction and its production/use was unequivocally better for everyone involved . . .

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 09:36:55 AM PDT

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      •  Fracked natural gas, if the process threatens our (1+ / 0-)
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        drinking water and there is increasing proof that it does, then it does not portend well for the future.

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        To thine ownself be true

        by Agathena on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 11:33:10 AM PDT

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        •  Just don't frack in the watersheds (0+ / 0-)

          if you want to protect drinking water. Most land is NOT public water supply watershed.

          But whatever you do, don't force us back to coal. You will be guilty of literally killing New Yorkers and others who don't have any other source of electricity. That will be particularly problematic if Andrew Cuomo succeeds in closing the Indian Point nuclear plant. It also kills coal miners.

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