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  •  lol (2+ / 0-)
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    The perpetual nihilism displayed by some here on DailyKos is so funny in a sad kind of way.

    Funny because it is so willfully blind.

    Sad because it is making DailyKos look pretty bizarre.

    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

    by Lawrence on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 11:27:49 AM PDT

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    •  You're actually the nihilist. I'm a realist. (0+ / 0-)

      Your comment is nothing more than name-calling backed up by nothing.  And you can't even bother to look up the scary words you use.

      What about these nihilists?  

      "Obama’s remarks in Berlin echoed comments he made in his State of the Union and inaugural speeches this year.

      “This is the global threat of our time,” Obama said Wednesday. “And for the sake of future generations, our generation must move toward a global compact to confront a changing climate before it is too late. That is our job. That is our task. We have to get to work.”

      Some environmentalists who cheered those remarks when they were made months ago, criticized them Wednesday.

      “President Obama deserves praise for including climate change among the long-term threats facing us all,” said Ned Helme, president of the Center for Clear Air Policy, an environmentally friendly think tank. “But he should do more than talk about the problem. The president needs to put the full force of his office behind new regulations that will truly curb greenhouse gas emissions. For too long now, he has produced little action. I’m encouraged that he will finally act and not just ask.”

      Meanwhile, the environmental community is growing impatient.

      “I really can’t understand why they haven’t moved forward on this more quickly, and we hope that turns around,” said Nathan Wilcox of Environment America."

      Are we all "willfully blind?" Or are you?

      •  Or maybe you just have no idea what has been (2+ / 0-)
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        accomplished by the Obama Administration on the environmental front?  

        U.S. carbon emissions are in decline and will continue to be in decline.  Unless Republicans take over full control, that is.

        Nuclear power plants and coal plants are being decommissioned because they are no longer economical(which is in part due to this administration's policies) and these proposed additional moves by the Obama Administration will lead to more of this plus provide an additional boost for renewables.  They are doing what they can and actually accomplishing a lot despite the Republicans being in control of the House.

        I'm not going to get into a laundry list of all the accomplishments, but I'll end with one nice piece of trivia:

        The number of electric vehicles purchased by Americans just last month exceeded the total amount of electric vehicles on the road in environmentally progressive Germany.

        "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

        by Lawrence on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 12:35:05 PM PDT

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        •  This was only a fluffy Pre-Announcement (0+ / 0-)

          "It was unclear whether the White House’s plans would include controls on existing power plants. An administration official, who wasn’t authorized to comment on the plan by name, said the White House was still weighing it."

          If the president was as serious about climate change as his rhetoric would suggest, there would be no issue as to whether the CO2 limits to be announced would apply to existing plants - assuming the admin official quoted in the story is correct and the issue is still being debated internally.  If you don't apply it to existing plants, it is window dressing that will not produce results for years or decades.  

          The president had the authority to do this in January 2009.  Will he finally do it now?  Let's hope, for the sake of the planet, that he does.  According to the NYT, if he does not do it now, there will not be sufficient time before he leaves office to complete the rule-making process and the opportunity to act will be lost for years more - until 2017 or thereabouts.

          •  Have you ever considered that the President (1+ / 0-)
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            wanted legislation to address this?  Hey, he said it himself... were you not listening?  This is obviously Plan B, and has become necessary because Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into a majority in the House.

            And why be so negative from the outset, especially since the Obama Administration EPA has a very good track record!  Or did you miss how they plowed through with historic mercury emissions regulations in 2011, which is in turn shutting down the old, dirty coal plants, which is, in turn, leading to a considerable drop in CO2 emissions?

            It drives me nuts when people can't give credit where credit is due...

            "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

            by Lawrence on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 01:55:07 PM PDT

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            •  Here's the criedt Al Gore gave him ... (0+ / 0-)

              WASHINGTON — Former Vice President Al Gore sharply criticized President Obama as lacking leadership on climate change in a magazine essay published online Wednesday, saying his policies had been little more effective than those of President George W. Bush.

              That quote is a little out of date, but Gore's views have not changed.

              Credit where credit is due?

              And Obama has not said whether the limits will apply to existing plants.  He's still consulting with the Koch brothers on that.

              •  You know, I can think for myself and don't (1+ / 0-)
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                need others to do the thinking for me.  I could throw just as many, or more, quotes from leading environmentalists at you who will give the Obama Administration credit where credit is due.

                The Obama Administration got the historical mercury regulations in place, not Gore.

                The Obama Administration got the historical, stringent CAFE standards in place, not Gore.

                The Obama Administration played a big role in making the U.S. a cleantech leader again via smart use of stimulus funds, not Gore.

                The Obama Administration is in large parts responsible for the U.S. leading the world in vehicle electrification, not Gore.

                If you or any other armchair quarterbacks want to lob grenades from the sidelines while the Obama Administration gets big things done despite a totally recalcitrant Congress, feel free to do so.  Just don't expect informed people to respect you for it or just accept snide b.s. statements like "he's still consulting with the Koch brothers on that".

                That kind of statement is just plain ignorant.

                "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

                by Lawrence on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 05:52:47 PM PDT

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                •  Good... (0+ / 0-)

                  Think for yourself.  That's wonderful.   But I trust Al Gore's and the other environmental leaders' judgment much more than your cute cheer leading.  

                  Obama will side with the Koch brothers on the pipeline by all accounts.  He will reject Al Gore and the entire environmental community.

                  Uncritical worship of political figures has never led to anything but disappointment and disaster.  I've now spent my allotment of time for this sort of drudgery.  Good day.

                  •  *yawn* (0+ / 0-)

                    "your cute cheer leading"

                    If all you can do is toss around empty cliché phrases like that one instead of acknowledging some very real and important accomplishments, then you're not exactly doing a stellar job of thinking for yourself.

                    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

                    by Lawrence on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 08:54:31 PM PDT

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      •  Al Gore, another willfully blind nihilist ... (1+ / 0-)
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        Gore to Obama: Talk is cheap on climate: 'We cannot have four more years of mentioning this occasionally and saying it's too bad that the Congress can't act'

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