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  •  And let the grocer die, got it. (0+ / 0-)
    •  Stop doing the things that (6+ / 0-)

      make people want to kill Americans.  But that seems to be a crazy idea . . .

      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

      by bryduck on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 04:10:15 PM PDT

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      •  Again missing the point. (2+ / 0-)
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        artmartin, Norm in Chicago

        AQ did not lay down when Barack Obama was elected. There are truly evil people in the world, the kind that think that convincing young people to blow themselves up is going to accomplish something (other than dead young people).

        But the question at hand is what to do with evidence of a crime. Kind of like having a plan for what you'll do when your house catches fire. If you don't have a plan, you're in more trouble than if you do. Its not like you're planning on burning down you house, but when it happens what are you going to do.

        That's whats happening here. The US does intelligence collection, we do and will continue to, so whats the plan when the unexpected, but predictable happens? I think that the administrations approach to pass on evidence of crime is the right thing to do.

        I also think that US foreign policy is better now than under GWB. But that doesn't mean that there are not folks in the world that want to do harm to the US public.

    •  So we can't... (9+ / 0-)

      just let the police do the work of catching wrongdoers under the framework of our constitution (and state constitutions)?  We have to go around one of our fundamental founding principles to capture wrongdoers now?  

      "[I]n the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone...They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand."

      by cardboardurinal on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 04:11:36 PM PDT

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      •  We do foreign intelligence, we'll continue. (2+ / 0-)
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        artmartin, Norm in Chicago

        What do we do when we come across other bad stuff. That's the question.

        None of the NSA programs are about surveilling the us population looking for wrongdoing. But when looking at foreign targets, every now and then you come across evidence of wrongdoing in the US. Its a simple question, do you pass on it or do the absolute minimal amount (send a tip)?

        If you're worried about domestic surveillance then you're about 150 miles too far south. NYPD seems to have the domestic surveillance racket pretty well in hand...

    •  Enjoying yourself? (0+ / 0-)

      Maybe the grocer would rather live free in a free society and take the chance that he might die someday because he wasn't living under the Stasi.

      Have you asked him?

      Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 01:59:56 PM PDT

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