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  •  I couldn't have given less of a fuck about the (0+ / 0-)

    background check bill that was voted on this year.
    But it's failure is primarily because of the gun ban that was introduced alongside it.

    "So clearly those things do work to curb gun violence."
    Putting aside that you are now seemingly espousing doing exactly what you claim was nothing but conspiracy theory, and leaving aside the legal issue of having the 2nd Amendment, and leaving aside the practical aspect of the US having 300,000,000 guns....
    Warrantless wiretaps do work to curb terrorist attacks & would make crime harder.
    Do you support warrantless wiretaps?
    North Korea has a far lower crime rate than the US.
    Do you want the USA to be like North Korea?

    The AWB would have a miniscule (I would argue non-existent) effect on murders.....and it is an infringement on the liberties of innocent people in response to the crimes of murderers.
    That isn't how a free society works.

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    by FrankRose on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 08:23:59 PM PDT

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    •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

      I didn't know assault weapons had anything to do with a well-regulated militia.

      •  'Well-regulated' at the time meant 'well-run' or (0+ / 0-)

        'well-supplied'....but let us ignore that for now.

        Nowhere does it say that one has to be a member of the militia to 'keep and bear arms', but it does say 'the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

        More to the point.......you do realize that you have exposed your original claim of 'banning guns' being 'conspiracy theory' as a load of utter Bullshit, because that is exactly what you are espousing, don't you?

        And you wonder why people don't trust you.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 10:26:29 PM PDT

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    •  Also, (0+ / 0-)

      if preventing citizens from owning certain kinds of arms is a violation of the 2nd amendment, then surely you agree with me that I should be allowed to own a tank or a nuclear weapon.  These are arms, after all.

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