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  •  Not only that. (6+ / 0-)

    Experts have described some of his claims, like the notion that he could access all CIA stations in the world, as absurd.  His description of PRISM doesn't seem to match up with what's come out about the program since he broke it, and it sounds like he completely misinterpreted a slide in a powerpoint (whether willfully or unintentionally - I'm inclined to believe the latter).  He's made "revelations" about details of how the US is pursuing him that he couldn't possibly know, unless he's gained magical powers. Etc.  He really comes across as one of those people, like Assange, to which it's okay to do wrong (in Assange's case lying about your background, presenting conspiracy theories as established facts, limiting distribution of information that people went to jail to give you in order to maximize profit, create oppressive NDAs intended to maximize said profit, trying to blackmail aid organizations into helping you, writing fake letters of support under the names of your enemies, presenting personal problems as conspiracies and trying to use funds earmarked for leaking to defend against them, etc) - all okay if it serves the "greater good".  Wherein the "greater good" is defined as your mission to expose government secrets that you feel should be public.

    But that said, even flawed messengers are still messengers.  And as much as Snowden's faults appear to be, there's no denying that his leaks have led to a much needed conversation about privacy versus security that had been on the backburner for a while, as well as encouraging others to talk about what's going on.  And for that, despite everything else, I think it's a good thing.  

    If he does come here to Iceland and I get a chance, I'll probably offer to show him around, introduce him to the local nerd community, and maybe help with the language.  :)  I mean, if he comes on a private plane, he'll be landing right next door to me; I work at a building at the Reykjavík airport.

    •  All too many people want a whistle blower ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... to be the protagonist of a movie in which the protagonist is a hero, and all of the action leads up to the whistle being blown, and then a montage of perp walks and convictions and fade to black.

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      by BruceMcF on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 05:40:35 PM PDT

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      •  Very well put. (0+ / 0-)

        And I kind of get the impression that Snowden wanted to be the protagonist in said movie.  

        But nonetheless, I'm glad so many people are at least talking about this.  Maybe if we're lucky at least some of what's going on will get walked back.

        Just found out yesterday that the US government has been reading the emails of an aquaintance of mine (not a US citizen, not living in the US) for the past two years without his knowledge.  It was in the news here yesterday in Iceland.  He heads an organization that advocates for freedom of information and the press, and it's believed that's why he was targetted.  Now they're trying to force Google to turn over records of everything he's done online that they have data for since 2003 (Google is fighting it).  He's unable to even find out which branch of the government is trying to do this or why; all that's come out is that there's a secret court in Alexandria making the request.

        That sort of stuff bugs the heck out of me, and it's hardly the most egregious stuff they've ever done.  They did the same and more even with a member of parliament (also an aquiantance) a while back due to her involvement in Wikileaks.  So yeah, whatever Snowden's faults, if these leaks help raise a conversation about snooping and secrecy, then it's a good thing.

    •  You're pretty confident of your ability to judge (1+ / 0-)
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      peoples entire nature on the basis of watching a few interviews.

      Most people don't thing they can do that.

      I'm sure it's just happenstance, though, that you've got a laundry list of personal flaws to focus on whenever it comes to anyone revealing US malfeasance.

      It's also crystal clear that Snowden would have to be a complete idiot to risk a moment alone with you in Iceland.

      Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

      by JesseCW on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 05:56:35 AM PDT

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